General Butch Appreciation Thread

[Femmadian]

JDeere,

This is the second post you've made in this thread to this effect. You haven't actually posted anything yourself, nor (from what I can see) have you even so much as thanked any of the other contributing posters in this conversation for what they've brought to the table. So far, all I've seen you do is criticize.

But... not all criticism is without merit.

So I went back and counted all of the posts so far in this thread that were of butch-appreciating content to actually check your claim, as I like to think of myself as a fair minded person and wanted to see how the numbers shook out.

Literally half of the posts don't even mention a gender. Half. A whole 11 out of the 22 posts so far do not mention feminine pronouns or refer to a butch as specifically a woman.

Furthermore, several of the quotes here are by rather well known trans and non-binary butches. Ivan Coyote identifies as trans and non-binary. S. Bear Bergman is an out and proud trans man married to another out and proud trans man. And Leslie Feinberg... well, there shouldn't even be a need for an introduction.

If you cannot see that this thread is on the whole inclusive of butches of all stripes, then I don't know what to tell you.

So, if you still cannot see your particular flavour of butch represented here, that's not my or anyone else's problem. You either need to post something productive in keeping with the original guidelines of the thread which does represent what you want to see, or you need to stop derailing it.

If you are so aggrieved to see people expressing appreciation for butches which aren't 100% exactly like yourself and if you're not going to further this thread, then, frankly, I would respectfully ask you to bow out.

I'm not going to discuss this again.

[Femmadian]

Made ya look.

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by Femmadian

JDeere,

This is the second post you've made in this thread to this effect. You haven't actually posted anything yourself, nor (from what I can see) have you even so much as thanked any of the other contributing posters in this conversation for what they've brought to the table. So far, all I've seen you do is criticize.

But... not all criticism is without merit.

So I went back and counted all of the posts so far in this thread that were of butch-appreciating content to actually check your claim, as I like to think of myself as a fair minded person and wanted to see how the numbers shook out.

Literally half of the posts don't even mention a gender. Half. A whole 11 out of the 22 posts so far do not mention feminine pronouns or refer to a butch as specifically a woman.

Furthermore, several of the quotes here are by rather well known trans and non-binary butches. Ivan Coyote identifies as trans and non-binary. S. Bear Bergman is an out and proud trans man married to another out and proud trans man. And Leslie Feinberg... well, there shouldn't even be a need for an introduction.

If you cannot see that this thread is on the whole inclusive of butches of all stripes, then I don't know what to tell you.

So, if you still cannot see your particular flavour of butch represented here, that's not my or anyone else's problem. You either need to post something productive in keeping with the original guidelines of the thread which does represent what you want to see, or you need to stop derailing it.

If you are so aggrieved to see people expressing appreciation for butches which aren't 100% exactly like yourself and if you're not going to further this thread, then, frankly, I would respectfully ask you to bow out.

I'm not going to discuss this again.

Hell to the yeah.

[Kätzchen]

Back in 2015, The Advocate featured Wendy Kali's book on Butch / Femme culture.

Here's an link to the magazine's article , thoughtfully written by Mitch Kellaway:

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entert...alive-and-well

[Kätzchen]

Here's Ivan E Coyote, Rae Spoon, and I forget who the other person is, but this photo is from their website and was taken while they were on tour, up in Seattle.

Over the years, in the butch femme community, I recall remarkable butch's who've played an important role by expounding upon their own ideas as butches or transmen or as non-binary butches, and Ivan E Coyote, is but one of many I remember.

Here's to Ivan E Coyote and Rae Spoon and others (...).

[girl_dee]

[Kätzchen]

"This is what courage is. It's not just living through the nightmare, it's doing something with it afterward. It's being brave enough to talk about it to other people. It's trying to organize to change things," -- Stone Butch Blues (by Leslie Feinberg).


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I think there's an awful lot of butches in our own butch femme community that do an impressive job of sharing about what it's like to be an butch. Thanks to all the butches in our online community who have stood by other butches and mentored them over the years.

[Femmadian]