Kavenaugh OMG

WheatToast · 10-04-2018, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Martina

It's looking better for Kavanaugh. If the FBI only interviewed nine witnesses, there might not be much there. The question now is can Flake and Murkowski stand up to the pressure? Collins will vote to confirm. I feel sure of it. There's definitely no smoking gun, nothing to shame regular Republicans into not voting for Kavanaugh. And the son of a bitch is now a folk hero among the base. Well, it will be bad if he's confirmed, but it might further energize Democratic voters to get out on November 6th. Not much solace for having such a malevolent crackpot on the Court.

I don't know if your hunch is right or not, because the news changes as often as Trump changes his mind.
It may sound nuts, but my theory is the GOP leaders are banking on Flake and Murkowski to fall on the GOP sword and vote no on Kavanaugh to allow the rest of the party to save face with those creepy base Trump supporters.
I think any sentient human who watched even a few minutes of Kavanaugh's epic meltdown, with the sobbing and lipping off to Senators, knew he was ineligible via temperament and partisan bias alone to take any seat on any bench, much less the Supreme Court.
Then when Sen. Klobuchar started grilling him about his drinking and possible blackouts, his defensiveness was outrageous-- right of Shakespeare. I think that was the end of it for him.
But because the entire GOP legislature seems to be afraid of arousing Trump's volcanic fury, I think they are stuck pretending to want what Trump wants, without noticing that Trump has lost interest in the guy. You think Trump respects a man who cries over his drinking-- in public? i think Trump likes he-man dictator/tyrant types, not weak little crybabies who went to Yale. Your thoughts?

BullDog · 10-04-2018, 11:05 AM

Collins is saying the investigation was "thorough" and Flake saying there is no corroborating evidence - all of which I think is complete bullshit. It wasn't thorough and was severely limited in scope. So all the "undecideds" needed was a very flimsy - and may I say trumped up excuse - to vote yes. The whole thing was a complete sham.

If it turns out I am wrong I will be overjoyed.

Lyte · 10-04-2018, 03:32 PM

I've heard the same things. I have this pain in my side that says the POS is going to be confirmed.

Heard too yearly this week... wish I could recall who said it... that the Supreme Court was the last bastion of non-partisanship in the U.S. government … now that's gone too.

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Originally Posted by BullDog

Collins is saying the investigation was "thorough" and Flake saying there is no corroborating evidence - all of which I think is complete bullshit. It wasn't thorough and was severely limited in scope. So all the "undecideds" needed was a very flimsy - and may I say trumped up excuse - to vote yes. The whole thing was a complete sham.

If it turns out I am wrong I will be overjoyed.

WheatToast · 10-04-2018, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyte

I've heard the same things. I have this pain in my side that says the POS is going to be confirmed.

Heard too yearly this week... wish I could recall who said it... that the Supreme Court was the last bastion of non-partisanship in the U.S. government … now that's gone too.

I think my prognostcating efforts are going increasingly out of whack.
Perhaps I need to go on a strict news diet, where I avoid it entirely and instead watch old reruns of Bob Ross's Joy of Painting show. When he uses huge house painting brushes to pound fluffy little clouds onto friendly little skies, it never fails to make me laugh.

~ocean · 10-04-2018, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WheatToast

I think my prognostcating efforts are going increasingly out of whack.
Perhaps I need to go on a strict news diet, where I avoid it entirely and instead watch old reruns of Bob Ross's Joy of Painting show. When he uses huge house painting brushes to pound fluffy little clouds onto friendly little skies, it never fails to make me laugh.

if u put all Bob Ross' paintings in a row and run past them it will look like "Make America Great Again" lolol all kidding aside ~ seeing threw his eyes bring back a feeling of content.

Orema · 10-05-2018, 05:55 AM

Yesterday, Sen. John Cornyn (Texas, Republican, Judiciary Committee) said the Senate treated Dr. Ford the way he'd want his daughter, sister, or mother treated.

Well, what about his son, brother, father, or himself? Wouldn't he want them to be treated fairly, too?

It would be helpful if a male senator or councilman stood up and said, I, too, have been sexually assaulted and I didn't speak up for fear of ....

Dare I think there is at least one male senator or councilman who has been sexually abused. But this is a can of worms these worms on the Judiciary Committee don't want to even think about, let alone discuss.

I think hearing from some men who have been abused may have stopped this nomination, but then Trump would only try to appoint someone even worse.

Gráinne · 10-05-2018, 10:23 AM

I, like everyone else, has been following this cesspool of a confirmation process since go.

If I have it right, this is partly about Kavanaugh's character, but more broadly, that he is conservative out the yin-yang. If Trump wins re-election in 2020, and with a couple other Justices looking long in the tooth, the broad fear is that he will be in a position to eviscerate Roe v. Wade and shift the Supreme Court for years, way after his term. I hear and can understand that fear.

With that being said, my immediate fear is that Kavanaugh was guilty until proven innocent-by the media, by women (including here), and by Democratic senators on the committee and in the whole Senate body. Of course, no matter his looking-more-inevitable confirmation, his reputation has already been smeared. This has to have been hell on his family, who obviously weren't in the picture when he was 17-18.

I believe something happened to Dr. Ford, just because of the fact that few women (and more than a few men) get out of their teens without some kind of sexual incident against their will, including me. I withhold judgement on Kavanaugh simply because her story changes, and there is no corroborating witnesses or credible evidence to support her story.

And therein lies my fear. If last Thursday is the level of "proof" needed to ruin someone's career and personal life, then let's toss out the judicial system right now. To some, he has a big target called "successful white guy" on his back. That was a lynching, and no, I don't apologize for the strong words. If we as a country have come down to political lynchings, I have great fear indeed.

WheatToast · 10-05-2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ~ocean

if u put all Bob Ross' paintings in a row and run past them it will look like "Make America Great Again" lolol all kidding aside ~ seeing threw his eyes bring back a feeling of content.

LOL Ocean!
I had an artist friend who took a job at an "art factory." They set up several "sofa sized" blank canvases in a row, and using the Bob Ross formula, he ran from canvas to canvas slapping the same happy little cloud here and spiky little trees there. He could knock out 10 identical landscapes in an hour.

Lyte · 10-05-2018, 10:43 AM

I do that frequently … go cold turkey and don't watch or listen to shite!

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Originally Posted by WheatToast

Perhaps I need to go on a strict news diet, where I avoid it entirely … .

Kätzchen · 10-04-2018, 11:19 AM

Here is what I think about the Kava-Not situation, as it stands currently:

We have an group of megalomaniac proportioned individuals who have sat for years as reigning GOP senators, who espouse the values of antithetical means (ie, the very embodiment of anything that directly opposes the common good for every person - locally, nationally, globally).

We (the general we) have seen credible professional individuals take an stand and act in ways which exposes the bald faced lies purported and supported by law makers; credible news agencies airing first hand accounts in opposition to seating Kava-Not as an SCJ, which the FBI limited "investigation" has not given priority to (example: interviewing credible leads which expose Kava-Not for lies other's already know he has committed, etc). We have the Press to thank for showing leadership in standards of accountability. So far as I can see, we don't have any reason to value any 'report' or 'investigative results' via an tersely limited scope of an so-called independent investigation performed by the FBI.

What I see is an grave injustice being committed against the will of the people (…).

(Photo Credit for October 2018 Time Magazine Cover Image by Artist Mayroudis, provided by: Business Insider, October 4th, 2018)

theoddz · 10-04-2018, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WheatToast

I don't know if your hunch is right or not, because the news changes as often as Trump changes his mind.
It may sound nuts, but my theory is the GOP leaders are banking on Flake and Murkowski to fall on the GOP sword and vote no on Kavanaugh to allow the rest of the party to save face with those creepy base Trump supporters.
I think any sentient human who watched even a few minutes of Kavanaugh's epic meltdown, with the sobbing and lipping off to Senators, knew he was ineligible via temperament and partisan bias alone to take any seat on any bench, much less the Supreme Court.
Then when Sen. Klobuchar started grilling him about his drinking and possible blackouts, his defensiveness was outrageous-- right of Shakespeare. I think that was the end of it for him.
But because the entire GOP legislature seems to be afraid of arousing Trump's volcanic fury, I think they are stuck pretending to want what Trump wants, without noticing that Trump has lost interest in the guy. You think Trump respects a man who cries over his drinking-- in public? i think Trump likes he-man dictator/tyrant types, not weak little crybabies who went to Yale. Your thoughts?

I dunno, Wheat, I hear what you're saying but I'm not sure so much matters to Trump right now. He's more concerned with getting a lackey on the SC bench to protect himself from impeachment/legal prosecution and Robert Mueller. Trump gives not a whit, or any real respect, for anyone except himself (I happen to think he is completely devoid of any kind of self respect, too). He'd tolerate, admire or befriend a million weak, sniveling, sobbing crybabies if he thought it would get him out of his "tight" with Mueller. Yeah, he's just that pathetic.

~Theo~

tantalizingfemme · 10-04-2018, 11:47 AM

Trump attacked and mocked Ford. He ridiculed a sexual assault victim. The crowd chanted "lock her up". They laughed with Trump. They laughed at her.

Trump sympathized with Kavanaugh.

"Trump also expressed sympathy for Kavanaugh, casting him as a victim of false allegations whose life had been ruined as a result. The judge's "life is in tatters. A man's life is shattered. His wife is shattered, his daughters," Trump told the crowd. The president also emphasized that he does not view himself as advocating for Kavanaugh for personal reasons."

Trump then went on to warn everyone about false allegations against men.

This is not the actions of a man who wants nothing to do with Kavanaugh.

https://www.salon.com/2018/10/03/loc...e-blasey-ford/

10-04-2018, 11:05 AM	#2
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10-05-2018, 05:55 AM	#6
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10-05-2018, 10:23 AM	#7
Gráinne Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Neither, nada, out of the box Preferred Pronoun?: My name always works Relationship Status: Happy whatever happens Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Little Rock Posts: 1,864 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,116 Thanked 7,388 Times in 1,457 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	I, like everyone else, has been following this cesspool of a confirmation process since go. If I have it right, this is partly about Kavanaugh's character, but more broadly, that he is conservative out the yin-yang. If Trump wins re-election in 2020, and with a couple other Justices looking long in the tooth, the broad fear is that he will be in a position to eviscerate Roe v. Wade and shift the Supreme Court for years, way after his term. I hear and can understand that fear. With that being said, my immediate fear is that Kavanaugh was guilty until proven innocent-by the media, by women (including here), and by Democratic senators on the committee and in the whole Senate body. Of course, no matter his looking-more-inevitable confirmation, his reputation has already been smeared. This has to have been hell on his family, who obviously weren't in the picture when he was 17-18. I believe something happened to Dr. Ford, just because of the fact that few women (and more than a few men) get out of their teens without some kind of sexual incident against their will, including me. I withhold judgement on Kavanaugh simply because her story changes, and there is no corroborating witnesses or credible evidence to support her story. And therein lies my fear. If last Thursday is the level of "proof" needed to ruin someone's career and personal life, then let's toss out the judicial system right now. To some, he has a big target called "successful white guy" on his back. That was a lynching, and no, I don't apologize for the strong words. If we as a country have come down to political lynchings, I have great fear indeed. __________________ The odds of going to the store for a loaf of bread and coming out with only a loaf of bread are three billion to one. ~Erma Bombeck

10-04-2018, 11:19 AM	#10
Kätzchen Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: She, please. Join Date: May 2010 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow ツ Posts: 16,056 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 30,111 Thanked 33,514 Times in 10,640 Posts Rep Power: 21474868	Here is what I think about the Kava-Not situation, as it stands currently: We have an group of megalomaniac proportioned individuals who have sat for years as reigning GOP senators, who espouse the values of antithetical means (ie, the very embodiment of anything that directly opposes the common good for every person - locally, nationally, globally). We (the general we) have seen credible professional individuals take an stand and act in ways which exposes the bald faced lies purported and supported by law makers; credible news agencies airing first hand accounts in opposition to seating Kava-Not as an SCJ, which the FBI limited "investigation" has not given priority to (example: interviewing credible leads which expose Kava-Not for lies other's already know he has committed, etc). We have the Press to thank for showing leadership in standards of accountability. So far as I can see, we don't have any reason to value any 'report' or 'investigative results' via an tersely limited scope of an so-called independent investigation performed by the FBI. What I see is an grave injustice being committed against the will of the people (…). (Photo Credit for October 2018 Time Magazine Cover Image by Artist Mayroudis, provided by: Business Insider, October 4th, 2018) __________________ “In the end, it’s not about how much stuff you have, it’s about how many hearts you touched,” — Iva Ursano.

10-04-2018, 11:47 AM	#12
tantalizingfemme Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Me Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: * Posts: 4,184 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 3,957 Thanked 3,985 Times in 822 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	Trump attacked and mocked Ford. He ridiculed a sexual assault victim. The crowd chanted "lock her up". They laughed with Trump. They laughed at her. Trump sympathized with Kavanaugh. "Trump also expressed sympathy for Kavanaugh, casting him as a victim of false allegations whose life had been ruined as a result. The judge's "life is in tatters. A man's life is shattered. His wife is shattered, his daughters," Trump told the crowd. The president also emphasized that he does not view himself as advocating for Kavanaugh for personal reasons." Trump then went on to warn everyone about false allegations against men. This is not the actions of a man who wants nothing to do with Kavanaugh. https://www.salon.com/2018/10/03/loc...e-blasey-ford/