Kavenaugh OMG

[Andrea]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

I, like everyone else, has been following this cesspool of a confirmation process since go.

If I have it right, this is partly about Kavanaugh's character, but more broadly, that he is conservative out the yin-yang. If Trump wins re-election in 2020, and with a couple other Justices looking long in the tooth, the broad fear is that he will be in a position to eviscerate Roe v. Wade and shift the Supreme Court for years, way after his term. I hear and can understand that fear.

With that being said, my immediate fear is that Kavanaugh was guilty until proven innocent-by the media, by women (including here), and by Democratic senators on the committee and in the whole Senate body. Of course, no matter his looking-more-inevitable confirmation, his reputation has already been smeared. This has to have been hell on his family, who obviously weren't in the picture when he was 17-18.

I believe something happened to Dr. Ford, just because of the fact that few women (and more than a few men) get out of their teens without some kind of sexual incident against their will, including me. I withhold judgement on Kavanaugh simply because her story changes, and there is no corroborating witnesses or credible evidence to support her story.

And therein lies my fear. If last Thursday is the level of "proof" needed to ruin someone's career and personal life, then let's toss out the judicial system right now. To some, he has a big target called "successful white guy" on his back. That was a lynching, and no, I don't apologize for the strong words. If we as a country have come down to political lynchings, I have great fear indeed.

I had not heard her story had changed. Do you have a link about that?

Dr Ford did say Mark Judge was in the room but he has declined to discuss it. He may be a corroborating witness if someone in authority was to speak to him.

[Gráinne]

Originally Posted by Andrea

I had not heard her story had changed. Do you have a link about that?

Dr Ford did say Mark Judge was in the room but he has declined to discuss it. He may be a corroborating witness if someone in authority was to speak to him.

For one: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1497661002/

And the prosecutor who examined her identified several inconsistencies.

[WheatToast]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

For one: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1497661002/

And the prosecutor who examined her identified several inconsistencies.

That was an OpEd piece, not a news article.

[tantalizingfemme]

Between Trump’s election and this fucking travesty, I have seen sides of people in my life I never knew existed. On one hand it’s been horrible, but on the other, I now know who stays and who goes. It’s been enlightening. Sad, but enlightening.

[Lyte]

Enlightening... that's for damn sure! If there's a "silver lining" to any of this, it's the insight we've gained from those around us and those in government. This has been some crazy shite!

Originally Posted by tantalizingfemme

Between Trump’s election and this fucking travesty, I have seen sides of people in my life I never knew existed. On one hand it’s been horrible, but on the other, I now know who stays and who goes. It’s been enlightening. Sad, but enlightening.

[BullDog]

It is bad enough Susan Collins is voting for him, but her speech was disgusting. I couldn't bear to watch. I just read the transcript.

I feel like Collins and Flake are frauds to orchestrate - or at least go along - with the sham "FBI investigation." I would have rather they just said they were voting for him all along.

There are so many, many reasons why he is unfit to be a Supreme Court Justice, and with all the lying Kavanaugh has done - from minor to major things - if Susan Collins thinks he is going to do what he told her on abortion rights, LGBTQ rights, etc. she is living in fantasy land.

What a disgrace.

Thank you Lisa Murkowski. I hope she leaves the Republican Party and becomes an Independent. Seems to me that would suit her better.

[Lyte]

I don't know why I still get surprised by the immorality and/or cowardice shown by so many. SMH

Yesterday afternoon I Googled for proof of something I'd heard earlier in the morning. I heard (via NPR I think) that there was a backlash against those who had voted to confirm Clarence Thomas. Many of them were not reelected when their term expired. I couldn't find any "proof" ... e.g old articles / published reports ... but my fingers are crossed nonetheless

Originally Posted by BullDog

It is bad enough Susan Collins is voting for him, but her speech was disgusting. I couldn't bear to watch. I just read the transcript.

I feel like Collins and Flake are frauds to orchestrate - or at least go along - with the sham "FBI investigation." I would have rather they just said they were voting for him all along.

There are so many, many reasons why he is unfit to be a Supreme Court Justice, and with all the lying Kavanaugh has done - from minor to major things - if Susan Collins thinks he is going to do what he told her on abortion rights, LGBTQ rights, etc. she is living in fantasy land.

What a disgrace.

Thank you Lisa Murkowski. I hope she leaves the Republican Party and becomes an Independent. Seems to me that would suit her better.

[Lyte]

Bah! lol

This items listed as "inconsistences" were immaterial at the time of her testimony to the Judiciary Committee. How many were at the party? Narrow stairwell? Short stairwell? Early 80's? Mid 80's? Floorplan? Answers to these questions could have been discovered if those running the show wanted to dig a little deeper.

Plenty have been convicted (aka found guilty) based on circumstantial evidence alone and in this case... no one was even shooting for a conviction on Kavanagh. We just needed the answer to a simple question... is this dude due a promotion? Based on a preponderance of the evidence… which includes his own hysterical testimony.... oh hell no!

Originally Posted by Gráinne

For one: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1497661002/

And the prosecutor who examined her identified several inconsistencies.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

For one: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1497661002/

And the prosecutor who examined her identified several inconsistencies.

She had been trying to recall in the period between letters and testimony. Her answers became, in some cases, more specific. These kinds of minor inconsistencies do not in any way signal lying.

Also, it wasn't a fucking court of law. Throwing out the judicial system??? This wasn't part of the judicial system. He wasn't in court.

And seriously, using the word lynching in this context? Haven't we all learned better? Hell, Fox News doesn't do that anymore.

[WheatToast]

Originally Posted by Martina

She had been trying to recall in the period between letters and testimony. Her answers became, in some cases, more specific. These kinds of minor inconsistencies do not in any way signal lying.

Also, it wasn't a fucking court of law. Throwing out the judicial system??? This wasn't part of the judicial system. He wasn't in court.

And seriously, using the word lynching in this context? Haven't we all learned better? Hell, Fox News doesn't do that anymore.

The "prosecutor" was not there to prosecute, the GOP men hired HER because they wanted a GOP woman to question Dr. Ford and they didn't have one on their committee. Once the imported woman started questioning Kavanaugh on his drinking, they pull her out and sent the men back in to mollycoddle that skeevy bastard.
The head of the FBI went to Yale Law within two years of Kavanaugh--and anyone can see the FBI probe was a fucking farce.
And don't get me started on use of the term 'lynching.'
Women need to choose what side they are on--because battle lines have been drawn, and it's time.
I choose women over GOP white men. You?

[Kätzchen]

I'm out on the west coast, so anything I read online is published hours before it's available for me to read, but here's an telling example of what was withheld from the public by the power-hungry, lying, corrupt GOP:


Exhibit A) From Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts):

“One: This was not a full and fair investigation. It was sharply limited in scope and did not explore the relevant confirming facts.
Two: The available documents do not exonerate Mr. Kavanaugh.
And three: The available documents contradict statements Mr. Kavanaugh made under oath.”

Exhibit B) From Ranking Democratic Member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California):

“The most notable part of this report is what’s not in it.”

Excerpt from HuffPost article (below):

Meanwhile, a president whom the majority of the country did not vote for is installing a justice on a Supreme Court that already had a seat hijacked and stolen by Senate Republicans, who were only ever in a position to do so because of decades of gerrymandering and voter suppression.
This is not how a healthy democracy functions. But there is a way to start to correct these profound injustices: What if you just told me what was in the FBI report? You’ll all feel much better! I know I will.
So, are you a senator? An FBI employee who helped with the investigation? Do you want to do me and the country — nay, democracy itself — a solid (…)? It’s the least you could do," ~ Ashley Feinstein, HuffPost Journalist, in yesterday's article published October 5th, 2018.

Link to HuffPost article (above): One Of You Should Just Leak Me The FBI Report: It's The Very Least You Could Do.



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My thoughts today:

One of the things that keeps coming up, for me - at least, is the fact that long time tenured senators in executive branch positions of power, collect an life time salary off the backs of tax payers, after they retire. I've never been happy that they have the ability to collect income off the backs of tax payers, like this. To me, if an senator or former President or anyone who no longer works in their former role, but yet they've done good things for the greater good of our country (examples: strengthened and expanded social policy addressing social racial and gender inequality and injustices, poverty, law, civil rights, employment/labor, healthcare, etc.), then I think rewarding and compensating them for their service to the country like this is an good thing. I'm not happy that the Dead White Boy's Society in the GOP enclave have access to power to enrich themselves purposefully over the enrichment of all in our country. I'd like to see that come to an end, promptly, but I know it's asking a lot. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for an excellent outcome and demonstrative showing of support from Democratic voters and independent voters and from voters who are fleeing the corrupt GOP, in support of turning our country around and saying flat out to all of them that their so-called law making is officially over and won't be tolerated anymore.

[hagster]

I'm in tears. I'm not surprised that he's been confirmed; the idea that partisanship comes before common sense or humanity is a growing reality. I am, however, disappointed beyond words. We all know how this individual will affect rulings from the Supreme Court, and that alone is cause for high emotion.

My tears also come from the people who share this space with me, meaning this land, this country that is supposed to make me proud to be an American. The realization that the republican base has been energized by this Kavanaugh fiasco is both dumbfounding and heartbreaking. After the 2016 election, I questioned how I could go out into the world and interact with strangers that may have stood behind a man we saw as lacking character or humanity. Now? I feel my personal value as a woman has plummeted. Worthless. Again I wonder how I can leave the house and feel a safety I'd not questioned before; how will this affect how my clients perceive me or future job opportunites. I've never felt this before. There's a hopelessness rising in me and I'm scared.

[WheatToast]

Originally Posted by hagster

I've never felt this before. There's a hopelessness rising in me and I'm scared.

I'm not scared, I'm angry.
Trump and his handler Putin are running the table, and they just rigged the Supreme Court with this partisan perjurer and Trump-sucking son of a bitch.
Judge Budweiser had no trouble assisting Ken Starr in demanding all but a televised anal probe of Bill Clinton, but his recent musings did a 180 when it comes to probing presidents now.
Trump wanted this jerk-off in the SC because he alone wrote that presidents should not be impeached, or even questioned about ANYTHING while in office. He said a president is far too busy to take time to answer anyone's questions.
So, if Mueller's manages to amass multiple felony charges against Trump, Judge Brett Beerbelcher will be on the SC to help kill any justice that doesn't favor Putin's puppet, Trump.
Lesbians may not be affected much when Roe v. Wade is overturned by this drunken misogynist, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking his hatred and addiction to control won't extend to the GLBTQ rights we fought so hard to gain.
We have lost a major, bloody battle today, but we have not lost the war.
We will donate to good, honest candidates, we will vote, and we will block walk and volunteer for phone banks, and we will vote, and we will put stickers on our cars and display signs on our lawns AND WE WILL VOTE...until these GOP CRIMINALS, TRAITORS AND THIEVES are out of office.
Won't we?!