Did a civil war just start?

Martina · 10-10-2018, 04:34 AM

I don't even understand this thread. Seriously. What is it about?

dark_crystal · 10-10-2018, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Martina

I don't even understand this thread. Seriously. What is it about?

I feel like the OP was saying that the Judiciary was the last branch of government with some integrity and that the confirmation of Kavanaugh means that branch has joined the other two in having been taken over by the forces of evil, and that the fall of the judiciary is what marks our descent into war.

This was interpreted as the OP having said that the official addition of white women to oppressed classes marks our descent into war, and that is insulting because the war has been going on for centuries and white women just didn't know or care.

This makes sense if "the fall of the judiciary" and "the recent addition of white women to the oppressed class" are interchangeable statements, and that therefore, by stating the former the OP also implies the latter.

I have seen this a lot on twitter, but the rhetoric there is more "welcome to the struggle, here's a syllabus"

We have twelve years to save the planet. I am going to lecture the white women about their tardiness in year 13.

kittygrrl · 10-10-2018, 10:24 AM

so, we all acknowledge that most women who live in U.S. have woke? yay. i would have appreciated it had it happened sooner but, better late then never! Americans are fickle about mostly everything..not much attention span pass their neighborhood. It's the nature of the beast

Martina · 10-10-2018, 02:21 PM

I read that Evangelical women in Texas are polling more strongly Democrat than in the past and that they could make the difference in the Senate race there.

I also saw an article on Trump voters who had been Obama voters but are coming back to vote for Democrats this election. Trump won on women rust belt voters who had flipped parties -- had been Obama voters -- and because African Americans in cities like Milwaukee didn't come out for Hillary. The Midterms aren't a Presidential election, and every election is different. But it is undeniable that these are gains.

dark_crystal · 10-10-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Martina

I read that Evangelical women in Texas are polling more strongly Democrat than in the past and that they could make the difference in the Senate race there.

I also saw an article on Trump voters who had been Obama voters but are coming back to vote for Democrats this election. Trump won on women rust belt voters who had flipped parties -- had been Obama voters -- and because African Americans in cities like Milwaukee didn't come out for Hillary. The Midterms aren't a Presidential election, and every election is different. But it is undeniable that these are gains.

I am not seeing wokeness from Evangelical women.

My aunt, who was florist and bridesmaid at my wedding, has posted a Dr. Ford meme saying "are you sure it wasn't Bill Clinton who raped you?" and a Bill/Chelsea meme with Bill saying "did i rape the ugly one?" and Chelsea saying "Dad, that's mom."

Martina · 10-10-2018, 04:34 PM

This is where I read it. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/u...als-women.html

My Evangelical relatives have posted some nasty memes, too. One early one basically called Dr. Ford a crybaby, so when Kavanaugh sniveled through his second hearing, I made a big point of mentioning his entitled whining.

Martina · 10-10-2018, 04:51 PM

Seriously, for Obama and Clinton, if you liked them, you can thank people of color.

Lyte · 10-10-2018, 05:21 PM

Me neither. I'm in Texas and I'm not seeing/hearing a lot of … I'm done with Trump!!

I'm actually okay with that (to some degree) so long as their voting follows this new inner voice.

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Originally Posted by dark_crystal

I am not seeing wokeness from Evangelical women.

WheatToast · 11-04-2018, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dark_crystal

I feel like the OP was saying that the Judiciary was the last branch of government with some integrity and that the confirmation of Kavanaugh means that branch has joined the other two in having been taken over by the forces of evil, and that the fall of the judiciary is what marks our descent into war.

This was interpreted as the OP having said that the official addition of white women to oppressed classes marks our descent into war, and that is insulting because the war has been going on for centuries and white women just didn't know or care.

That's precisely what I was saying. Thanks!

kittygrrl · 11-04-2018, 12:31 PM

Did anyone watch the msnbc special last night on the vote? Most of the country is totally unaware and doesn't much care about Russia, the "me to" movement or that trump lies constantly...people in u.s are very short-sighted and take freedom for granted. No amount of shaming or warning will really move them until they "feel" it personally(on some level)..i think those of us who are woke, live in a bubble

..which will probably burst at some point..we as liberals are almost as clueless as the conservatives..so pulling out your fur when it comes to trump won't get you anything or anywhere. I think (at some point) it's prudent to personally prepare for the consequences we are obviously in no mood to consider.

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Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,286 Times in 4,167 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	I don't even understand this thread. Seriously. What is it about? __________________ "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up" - Lily Tomlin

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kittygrrl Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: witchy Relationship Status: just for fun Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: near the wild mushrooms Posts: 9,358 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 21,574 Thanked 21,949 Times in 7,074 Posts Rep Power: 21474861	so, we all acknowledge that most women who live in U.S. have woke? yay. i would have appreciated it had it happened sooner but, better late then never! Americans are fickle about mostly everything..not much attention span pass their neighborhood. It's the nature of the beast __________________ "MAKE AMERICA THINK AGAIN"

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Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,286 Times in 4,167 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	I read that Evangelical women in Texas are polling more strongly Democrat than in the past and that they could make the difference in the Senate race there. I also saw an article on Trump voters who had been Obama voters but are coming back to vote for Democrats this election. Trump won on women rust belt voters who had flipped parties -- had been Obama voters -- and because African Americans in cities like Milwaukee didn't come out for Hillary. The Midterms aren't a Presidential election, and every election is different. But it is undeniable that these are gains. __________________ "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up" - Lily Tomlin

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Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,286 Times in 4,167 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	This is where I read it. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/u...als-women.html My Evangelical relatives have posted some nasty memes, too. One early one basically called Dr. Ford a crybaby, so when Kavanaugh sniveled through his second hearing, I made a big point of mentioning his entitled whining. __________________ "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up" - Lily Tomlin

10-10-2018, 04:51 PM	#7
Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,286 Times in 4,167 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	Seriously, for Obama and Clinton, if you liked them, you can thank people of color. __________________ "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up" - Lily Tomlin

11-04-2018, 12:31 PM	#10
kittygrrl Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: witchy Relationship Status: just for fun Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: near the wild mushrooms Posts: 9,358 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 21,574 Thanked 21,949 Times in 7,074 Posts Rep Power: 21474861	Did anyone watch the msnbc special last night on the vote? Most of the country is totally unaware and doesn't much care about Russia, the "me to" movement or that trump lies constantly...people in u.s are very short-sighted and take freedom for granted. No amount of shaming or warning will really move them until they "feel" it personally(on some level)..i think those of us who are woke, live in a bubble..which will probably burst at some point..we as liberals are almost as clueless as the conservatives..so pulling out your fur when it comes to trump won't get you anything or anywhere. I think (at some point) it's prudent to personally prepare for the consequences we are obviously in no mood to consider. __________________ "MAKE AMERICA THINK AGAIN"