Gulf Oil Slick

[Rockinonahigh]

I drive a big o caddi and im not givein it up.One reason is I always wanted one..now I got it.Two its easy on my back to ride in..besides I dont go all that far in it and its in perfect shape.Im glad I dont still have the old gas guzler of an suv I had,it knew where all the gas pumps in town were.In reality I havent found smaller more effecent cars comfy at all..anyway its paid for.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Rockinonahigh

I drive a big o caddi and im not givein it up.One reason is I always wanted one..now I got it.Two its easy on my back to ride in..besides I dont go all that far in it and its in perfect shape.Im glad I dont still have the old gas guzler of an suv I had,it knew where all the gas pumps in town were.In reality I havent found smaller more effecent cars comfy at all..anyway its paid for.

It's OK, Rockin. I hear ya about comfort. Cars that are kept tuned make a big difference. Have had multiple back surgeries and a couple of kinds of arthritis, plus, I'm old. And as you say, how much we drive a vehicle matters. Also, commuting. Public transporatation, car pools, van-pools all help with folks that have to go a long distance for work. But, we have dropped tghe b all in the US about transportation infrastructure all over the place. I use public transportation here because it is actually easier, saves time and is less expensive. In some places, that just isn't so which needs to change.
Also I get some more walking in taking BART trains into SF and stolling to my destinations. I'm retired, however and this system is nearby. Then, again,
more fuel efficient transportation systems need to be utilized, too. And I have to say, I want these systems using US manufactured vehicle materials. the losses of manufacturing in the US makes me sick.

The car thing, can get into class differences, too. Some of these new hybrids cost mega bucks. Far more than the average person can afford. Look at average income levels and add all the other costs we have to put out and a lot of people are just not going to plunk down (or finance) $25000 and up for a car.

And I know that larger kinds of vehicles are needed let's say in the farming industry, etc. But, the technology to have even large commercial vehicles more fuel efficient has been around for awhile, but not utilized. Hummm... think oil companies have had a hand in this? There are hybrid SUVs now. And some people are just not OK with small cars due to safety concerns.

[Rockinonahigh]

AtlastHome..if it were possable for me to take public transportation most of the time I would,all we have hear is the city bus line wich is forever late,stinky,and way over crouded, the bus stop its usely just a sign to mark the bus stop and rarely is there a place to sit unless its on the curb.
I do becareful to keep the cadi well tuned up and tires in good order,haveing a son who is a master mechanic is a big plus.
I really thought of geting a green car but the price is way outta sight as well as the notes that will choke a horse..not to mention the inshurance cost.So I feel if I drive responsably I can at least keep my cabon foot print down as much as possabl.Recently I got some canvas bags to bring my shoping home in insted of useing plastic baggs,I have tons of tuppreware and or things like itso I will use them till they give out and hope something better and more eco friendly will come out one of these days.

[Toughy]

So BP made a cut on the pipe coming out of the riser so they could cap it in order to keep at least some of the oil out of the water. They admit when they make the cut, the flow of oil out of that pipe will increase by 20% and if the cap fails then there will be 20% more oil flowing into the Gulf. The cap works and is keeping about 20% of the oil coming out of the pipe out of the Gulf.

BP proudly announces they are keeping oil out of the Gulf. ..................mmmmmmmmmmm................wait. ........you increase by 20%, then take 20% out..........that means you did nothing to decrease the flow of oil into the Gulf. However you damn sure can make it look and sound like you did something good.....

BP is doing hella good work out there in the Gulf.

[MsDemeanor]

Sorry, but the math thing is making me crazy. Say there's 100 gallons coming out. Making the cut increases that to 120 gallons. 20% of 120 is 24, so they're capturing 24 gallons, leaving 96 to spew. So, there's four less gallons coming out.

I know I know I know, 96 vs. 100 doesn't mean diddly squat, but the math thing made me twitch :-)

Besides, the bigger picture is that BP is now able to take that 20 new percent and pump it in to a ship, which they can then process and sell. They're finally able to squeeze a little $$$ out of this. That IS what's most important, after all.

[Toughy]

laughin..............msdemeanor...........see my math says increase flow by 20%, take out 20%.........that =zero.....same amount flowing as before......

I entirely see how you worked the problem and got your answer.......laughin..........which is the right one I am sure....

which is why I never got past algebra and geometry..........calculus and trig made my head explode........laughin....

(and I never really understood geometry until it snapped in place one day over a pool table....and then some basic physics also made some kind of sense)

give me natural sciences, biology, microbiology, parasitology, hematology, immunology, etc any day.............

I do hate math..........math is hard

[Glenn]

Tesla disliked algebra and calculus too, that's why the physics community did'nt pay much attention to him I reckon.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Toughy

So BP made a cut on the pipe coming out of the riser so they could cap it in order to keep at least some of the oil out of the water. They admit when they make the cut, the flow of oil out of that pipe will increase by 20% and if the cap fails then there will be 20% more oil flowing into the Gulf. The cap works and is keeping about 20% of the oil coming out of the pipe out of the Gulf.

BP proudly announces they are keeping oil out of the Gulf. ..................mmmmmmmmmmm................wait. ........you increase by 20%, then take 20% out..........that means you did nothing to decrease the flow of oil into the Gulf. However you damn sure can make it look and sound like you did something good.....

BP is doing hella good work out there in the Gulf.

They get the prize for double-talk.... Oh, or is it zero-sum? They have been having a difficult time all along with the math. And I am so freaking happy they are able to collect some of the oil so that they can keep their shareholders happy! Yeah, hella good work!The only organization I listen to about this is NOAA.

[Diva]

I'm watching Anderson Cooper 360 right now and he is blasting BP for their total lack of disclosure....

They make the fishermen sign a contract that doesn't allow them tell us what they're finding.

15,000 barrels a day.......


This whole thing just frustrates the hell out of me and I'm safely tucked away in central Texas for pity's sake! I can't even imagine what the poor people in Louisiana ~ especially those on the coast ~ must be experiencing!!!!!!


SHAME ON YOU, BP!!!!!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU!

[AtLast]

Thinking about the whole chain reaction financially about Gulf coast people. You are a fishing company or charter business and there are the losses in income. Then, no checks from BP (or a fraction of what you are losing). As most of us do when maoney is tight, we stop services, don't buy anything that is non-essential. So, if you pay a gardener, you stop that service. He or she loses many of their customers. The local market you shop in begins to feel business slowing. You stop your cable or even internet. No more new clothes or going out to dinner or taking in a movie. Forget those home improvements you wanted to do. The folks that work in all related industries are affected in this chain. The company that cans your fish lays off workers. Boats are docked, employees laid off. Recreational and vacation businesses are seeing huge losses. On and on. And this in the midst of the biggest recession for decades and after hurricanes that the recovery for haver not been fully reached! So, when it hits more state bays and beach areas.....

Now.... look at the goods and services that depend on the goods and services of the gulf fare in this that are not even in the Gulf!