2020 Presidential Election

[MsTinkerbelly]

I will vote for whichever candidate runs against the burgermeister, but I really hope it won’t be Bernie. I would rather see old man Biden winning than Bernie. I know that puts me in the minority, but there you go.

I think that I still have such resentment that Bernie waited so long, and did so little, to help his base accept Hilary as the candidate, that I just can’t see him pulling our fractured party (let alone our country) together.

Of course I have been wrong before........

[CherylNYC]

I am strongly against Sanders or Biden as Presidential candidates or as running mates. I'm against them for the same reason I would be against Hillary if she threw her hat in the ring today. They are all too darned old!

Bernie Sanders is 77 years old now. He would be 79 in 2020 and 83 by the end of a four year term. If he were to win a second term he would be 87 years old. Biden is just one year younger. Ronald Reagan was clearly experiencing dementia in his second term. He was nearly 70 when he was sworn in, which is 10 years younger than Sanders would be. The risk of dementia and disease is only part of it. The job of U.S. President calls for someone more vigorous and energetic than an 80 year old can possibly be. No insults intended, but I am not supportive of someone who I'm convinced couldn't sustain the energy needed for this job.

Apparently, this is a popular subject. I googled Biden's and Sanders' age just to be sure, and 'age' was the second and third suggested google search for each of them respectively.

[Martina]

When I saw that he had announced, I yelled, "Bernie!!!!"

I love the man. I couldn't be happier that he's running.

[C0LLETTE]

Originally Posted by CherylNYC

I am strongly against Sanders or Biden as Presidential candidates or as running mates. I'm against them for the same reason I would be against Hillary if she threw her hat in the ring today. They are all too darned old!

Bernie Sanders is 77 years old now. He would be 79 in 2020 and 83 by the end of a four year term. If he were to win a second term he would be 87 years old. Biden is just one year younger. Ronald Reagan was clearly experiencing dementia in his second term. He was nearly 70 when he was sworn in, which is 10 years younger than Sanders would be. The risk of dementia and disease is only part of it. The job of U.S. President calls for someone more vigorous and energetic than an 80 year old can possibly be. No insults intended, but I am not supportive of someone who I'm convinced couldn't sustain the energy needed for this job.

Apparently, this is a popular subject. I googled Biden's and Sanders' age just to be sure, and 'age' was the second and third suggested google search for each of them respectively.

Maybe you don't really figure out who you really are or what you believe in until you are in your 90s. Wouldn't that be a kick in the ass.



Dance Bernie, dance.

[cathexis]

Bernie is too old, and Sanchez is too green. The MW is probably going for Biden. There no really good choice. It's too bad that Bernie didn't groom someone. Want a "Democratic Socialist," but don't see anyone in the wings.
The Country has gone way to the right since 45 was elected, maybe before.

[Martina]

It's so rare for me to respond to a candidate, to feel much about their candidacy. So so rare. I think a lot of people feel that way about Bernie. It's not just that he stands for the right things, it's his clear good intentions, his decency, his determination, his humor. He's like a hundred people I have known except he is in politics, which rarely attracts the good guys. Obama is a decent man, but he did not stand for what I do. I was moved that an African-American could get elected, but because our politics didn't align, I was not super enthusiastic.

Bernie just lightens my heart and gives me hope for my country. I don't care how old he is. That he is willing to take it all on again is enough for me. He's Bernie. A national treasure. I will support him until he wins or concedes.

[Andrea]

Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

I will vote for whichever candidate runs against the burgermeister, but I really hope it won’t be Bernie. I would rather see old man Biden winning than Bernie. I know that puts me in the minority, but there you go.

I think that I still have such resentment that Bernie waited so long, and did so little, to help his base accept Hilary as the candidate, that I just can’t see him pulling our fractured party (let alone our country) together.

Of course I have been wrong before........

Perhaps I am misunderstanding. Hilary won the popular vote. The only reason Dear Leader won was due to the electoral vote. Do you believe Bernie could have changed that outcome?

[Martina]

The votes Clinton lost that cost her the election were African Americans in Milwaukee and Detroit and white women who had voted for Obama in Pennsylvania. The African Americans didn't come out. The Pennsylvania women voted for Trump. These were never Bernie Sanders voters.

While a number of Bernie voters did not vote for Clinton, there is no analysis that says that they cost her the election. Not going to Wisconsin even one time cost her the election. Not funding the ground game cost her the election.

You can say Jill Stein won 130,000 votes in those states, but most of those were never going to be hers. The campaign didn't expect them to be. Stein under performed. The votes Clinton counted on -- African Americans and middle class women -- didn't happen. Those last few weeks she campaigned in fucking Texas, where she never had a shot, and ignored the three states that cost her the election.

[Martina]

I was just googling to make sure I was right about something I said in the last post and saw that Bernie made commercials supporting Clinton that they never aired. They did not run out of money. Just too stupid and arrogant.

[Martina]

Also, just saw this in an article about how she lost Michigan (undermining their own ground game, largely):

"Sanders threw himself into campaign appearances for Clinton throughout the fall, but familiar sources say the campaign never asked the Vermont senator’s campaign aides for help thinking through Michigan, Wisconsin or anywhere else where he had run strong."

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...n-trump-232547