2020 Presidential Election

[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by Martina

I'm sorry, but I truly truly wish Texas would secede. It can be one of those Mexican countries.

I'm fine with becoming Mexican, but an independent Texas would be The Handmaids Tale. 40% of us are blue. Another huge chunk are disfranchised and/or undocumented. The majority of Texas's inhabitants would suffer.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by dark_crystal

I'm fine with becoming Mexican, but an independent Texas would be The Handmaids Tale. 40% of us are blue. Another huge chunk are disfranchised and/or undocumented. The majority of Texas's inhabitants would suffer.

If it were realistic to get rid of Texas, I think I might sacrifice y'all. You could move to Georgia and turn it from purple to blue. Just a thought. I would so love to say bye bye to Texas. Just as a teacher -- the effect Texas has had on text books alone. Texas is the big stupid bully of American culture. Proudly ignorant, but unlike say, Alabama or Oklahoma, influential. And truly don't many Texans actually want to secede. My response to that is "Bye, Felicia."

[charley]

Trump is forgetting words, couldn't remember the word "origins", so said "oranges" - twice... also said that his father was born in Germany, which was false, since his father was born in USA, it was his gf who was born in Germany (if I remember correctly), early signs of dementia ... - his reward, which he has done to himself

so, do you really think he will be able to run for a 2nd term?

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by Martina

If it were realistic to get rid of Texas, I think I might sacrifice y'all. You could move to Georgia and turn it from purple to blue. Just a thought. I would so love to say bye bye to Texas. Just as a teacher -- the effect Texas has had on text books alone. Texas is the big stupid bully of American culture. Proudly ignorant, but unlike say, Alabama or Oklahoma, influential. And truly don't many Texans actually want to secede. My response to that is "Bye, Felicia."

Originally Posted by charley

Trump is forgetting words, couldn't remember the word "origins", so said "oranges" - twice... also said that his father was born in Germany, which was false, since his father was born in USA, it was his gf who was born in Germany (if I remember correctly), early signs of dementia ... - his reward, which he has done to himself

so, do you really think he will be able to run for a 2nd term?

Trump may be an narcissistic, a bully, ruining the US both here and abroad, and the worst president we've encountered; however, tarnishing the reputation of the entire State of Texas as refuse one wouldn't mind giving back to the Mexicans. Many soldiers died taking and defending the Louisiana Purchase, also this dishonors all the Texans who have fought and died in our country's wars. Texas is our issue to deal with. Blame a state as large as Texas for a bunch of yahoos is like saying that all New Yorkers are rude. Even if it is believed that folks from the city need a bit more civility, NY is a large state like Texas with populations of people who don't deserve that sort of sullied reputation.
If that is really how people feel, let's chop off CA, what about FL-the keys have wanted to secede for decades. Hell, we can chop up the country to politically impotent blocks. Sounds just like what Trump would love.

A person's medical problems have no business being discussed in the public arena. Personally, I think Rosenstein didn't go far enough into FBI discussion for removal of Trump. Sure, he's mentally unfit for president, and needs to go but there are procedures and committees elected by the people empowered to consult experts as witnesses for those Amendment 22 issues. Did America splash Reagan's Alzheimer's disease all over the press daily. Who here can diagnose Dementia based on film clips and interviews, I sure can't. Not certain a Psychiatrist or Neurologist could make a spot decision like that. How about FDR's physical limitations. I know the history of the 22nd Amendment, but it could have (and did) happen during our Presidential history. We probably should have written it clearer into the Constitution, but we didn't and can't act as though we had.

[C0LLETTE]

Sanders is a voracious tapeworm in the Democratic gut.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

Sanders is a voracious tapeworm in the Democratic gut.

That's unnecessary. Have some basic civility. Especially when it's not your country. He's a US Senator.

[C0LLETTE]

Originally Posted by Martina

That's unnecessary. Have some basic civility. Especially when it's not your country. He's a US Senator.

"The “Sanders would have won” crowd will have their chance to make their case, but forget it. Sanders is a parasitic worm eating the Democratic Party from the inside out, and Democrats should get it through their heads quickly: nominating a revolutionary Red Diaper socialist for the presidency would result in a 1984-style wipeout." RICK WILSON

Please write your complaint to the NY Daily News opinion page. I do think Wilson is an American.

And please lay off the repeated references to me being Canadian. You seem to have your own "personal" Canadian here, who posted a very nasty attack on me to which I chose not to respond and who applauds every silly post you make without any word of complaint from you or mention of nationality.

Go slam someone else. Far as I know, there is no rule here that only Americans can post or that only people you agree with or self-righteously label "civil"can post here.

Want less comment on your politics? Stop promoting regime change and political interference in just about every corner of this planet.

[Kätzchen]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

Sanders is a voracious tapeworm in the Democratic gut.

I happen to agree with you, COLLETTE. I fell for the Bernie charisma the first time around. It won't happen again.

[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by Martina

If it were realistic to get rid of Texas, I think I might sacrifice y'all. You could move to Georgia and turn it from purple to blue. Just a thought. I would so love to say bye bye to Texas. Just as a teacher -- the effect Texas has had on text books alone. Texas is the big stupid bully of American culture. Proudly ignorant, but unlike say, Alabama or Oklahoma, influential. And truly don't many Texans actually want to secede. My response to that is "Bye, Felicia."

We're America's own Saudi Arabia. Primitive people made incidentally rich and powerful by a mineral coincidence, behaving primitively with great power.

My mom is a pro-life Southern Baptist young-Earth creationist, but she was also a 2nd grade teacher and not a fan of the Religious Right takeover of all school boards in the 1980s. She subscribed to their values but she thought they should leave education to educators, felt their decrees on the three R's, at least, if not science lol, should be evidence-based and were not.

But that takeover was a real thing that happened-- the religious right intentionally and methodically focused on infiltrating school boards and those people are all still in place.

The reason i spend an hour each month sitting next to a creepy pro-life Southern Baptist young-Earth creationist Board President is because he was part of that movement and actually got to be mayor, then retired to my board so he can make sure we have creationist materials. We're just lucky he doesn't notice us shelving them under religion and not science. We've had him thirteen years and we could have him thirteen more.

That was a digression.

What i came here to say is that whenever "coastal elites" bag on the red states and someone calls their attention to the always-sizeable percentage of blue voters in those states, there is always someone saying "they should just move, then."

Leaving aside the many reasons why that might not be easy for individuals (disabled parents, for us), it's a terrible idea electorally. The more we concentrate in specific states, the less electoral college votes we have access to.

Anyway--speaking of moving to more progressive places-- Houston is a place of refuge for all of Mississippi's queers, because their parents are quadruple times scarier than ours. We're very fortunate it wasn't them with the oil. Queer Mississippi needs Houston to keep being safe.

[Martina]

Obviously, Texas will not be leaving the Union. I'm not serious. Nor would I expect anyone to move. I'm aware that Houston is a relative oasis of tolerance and diversity. One of my closest friends happily lives there. ALTHOUGH -- recently she was transporting some friends of a friend when they announced they'd never met a gay person. She had to say, "Well, you have now." And she very kindly answered these Southern Baptists' questions and educated them in the gentlest way. I would have put them out of the car.

Re California, I'd be ecstatic if coastal California were its own country. People talk about it.

Originally Posted by dark_crystal

We're America's own Saudi Arabia. Primitive people made incidentally rich and powerful by a mineral coincidence, behaving primitively with great power.

My mom is a pro-life Southern Baptist young-Earth creationist, but she was also a 2nd grade teacher and not a fan of the Religious Right takeover of all school boards in the 1980s. She subscribed to their values but she thought they should leave education to educators, felt their decrees on the three R's, at least, if not science lol, should be evidence-based and were not.

But that takeover was a real thing that happened-- the religious right intentionally and methodically focused on infiltrating school boards and those people are all still in place.

The reason i spend an hour each month sitting next to a creepy pro-life Southern Baptist young-Earth creationist Board President is because he was part of that movement and actually got to be mayor, then retired to my board so he can make sure we have creationist materials. We're just lucky he doesn't notice us shelving them under religion and not science. We've had him thirteen years and we could have him thirteen more.

That was a digression.

What i came here to say is that whenever "coastal elites" bag on the red states and someone calls their attention to the always-sizeable percentage of blue voters in those states, there is always someone saying "they should just move, then."

Leaving aside the many reasons why that might not be easy for individuals (disabled parents, for us), it's a terrible idea electorally. The more we concentrate in specific states, the less electoral college votes we have access to.

Anyway--speaking of moving to more progressive places-- Houston is a place of refuge for all of Mississippi's queers, because their parents are quadruple times scarier than ours. We're very fortunate it wasn't them with the oil. Queer Mississippi needs Houston to keep being safe.

[Martina]

Re not scaring the center, we've tried accommodating them, and it didn't work. Moreover, the center SUPPORTS Bernie's policies. It's not just that the Democrats are posing as progressives to win the primary. The country supports most of the progressive program as poll after poll has shown.

This is not the Clinton era as 2016 proves. It really is time for real change. We might not get it, but it's so obvious -- the Trump victory proves it -- that Americans are sick of the government not representing their interests. And Democrats have been as guilty of favoring elites as Republicans.

[Martina]

My own plan for a California secession includes forcing the entirety of Silicon Valley to move to LA. We would keep them in the state, forcing them for the first time to pay taxes. But the outsize influence they have on the Bay Area would be dwarfed by the much bigger LA and environs. Most plans have Western Oregon and Washington included in the new country. I'm ok with that. But they are going to have to work on the lily whiteness problem.

[kittygrrl]

funny we should be talking about succession because i can see it happening twenty or thirty years from now..unless we all agree to homogenize...with artificial intelligence that might become a reality..if people begin to choose linking with ai..it would be scary in one way but our world might avoid blowing up...i doubt on our own we can actually manage not destroying ourselves at some point..a little off point...sigh...

...so, i will say Bernie has 900,000 donations or something like that...he is my least favorite candidate...he would love it if Biden decided not to run...he would be just fine if that happened..i'm not saying he doesn't have ethics, just none where politics are concerned(from what i've observed) also....

Beto is getting annoying..j/s