2020 Presidential Election

[MsTinkerbelly]

We are criminals.

We took the land from the original occupants, we have the unmitigated gall to overthrow governments and destabilize world economies, we take what we want and expect everyone to fall inline with our values. We are less than 300 years old, yet we DARE to tell civilizations around for thousands of years how to treat their people or run their countries?

Yes, when asked we step in and protect the world...so there is that.

We are criminals...this is the way we are seen in the rest of the world. No matter how many times we say “yes but we did this”, we have a history of slavery, abuse of native Americans, corruption, mass killings...on and on.

Love it or leave it?

God bless the USA

Pfffft

[C0LLETTE]

Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

We are criminals.

We took the land from the original occupants, we have the unmitigated gall to overthrow governments and destabilize world economies, we take what we want and expect everyone to fall inline with our values. We are less than 300 years old, yet we DARE to tell civilizations around for thousands of years how to treat their people or run their countries?

Yes, when asked we step in and protect the world...so there is that.

We are criminals...this is the way we are seen in the rest of the world. No matter how many times we say “yes but we did this”, we have a history of slavery, abuse of native Americans, corruption, mass killings...on and on.

Love it or leave it?

God bless the USA

Pfffft

I do believe MsTinkerbelly is an American citizen. Me? I'm just sitting here and reading

[Martina]

Without a doubt, and speaking the truth is valuable. But using history as an excuse to talk trash about an entire group of people is, well, trashy.

Hell, Canada has a pretty dismal history re its Native Peoples. I don't call out the Canadian people with glee as Collette is wont to do re Americans. (And Collette, DON'T ask me to document. Good God. I've seen you demand that someone tell you where you said something when it was on the previous page.) Collette has said about a thousand rude things about Americans. More. Whatever.

Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

We are criminals.

We took the land from the original occupants, we have the unmitigated gall to overthrow governments and destabilize world economies, we take what we want and expect everyone to fall inline with our values. We are less than 300 years old, yet we DARE to tell civilizations around for thousands of years how to treat their people or run their countries?

Yes, when asked we step in and protect the world...so there is that.

We are criminals...this is the way we are seen in the rest of the world. No matter how many times we say “yes but we did this”, we have a history of slavery, abuse of native Americans, corruption, mass killings...on and on.

Love it or leave it?

God bless the USA

Pfffft

[C0LLETTE]

Originally Posted by Martina

Without a doubt, and speaking the truth is valuable. But using history as an excuse to talk trash about an entire group of people is, well, trashy.

Hell, Canada has a pretty dismal history re its Native Peoples. I don't call out the Canadian people with glee as Collette is wont to do re Americans. (And Collette, DON'T ask me to document. Good God. I've seen you demand that someone tell you where you said something when it was on the previous page.) Collette has said about a thousand rude things about Americans. More. Whatever.

Gee Whizz you get more Trumpian by the post...There were billions of people at the inauguration..."Collette has said about a thousand rude things about Americans. More." You even have his flair for deflection.

[charley]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

Gee Whizz you get more Trumpian by the post...There were billions of people at the inauguration..."Collette has said about a thousand rude things about Americans. More." You even have his flair for deflection.

calling Martina "Trumpian" is an ad hominem attack...

[C0LLETTE]

but I just gave you an example of her "Trumpianism".

[kittygrrl]

Collette I think Martina actually wants to have a civil discussion about issues...she loves her country even if it's flawed. I don't happen to agree with her but i try to understand her point of view. I don't follow this thread very closing but exchanging ideas is more important then blasting someone for their flawed perceptions..if you want to change minds you don't do it by attacking what they believe currently..i'm learning, you listen

[MsTinkerbelly]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

Collette I think Martina actually wants to have a civil discussion about issues...she loves her country even if it's flawed. I don't happen to agree with her but i try to understand her point of view. I don't follow this thread very closing but exchanging ideas is more important then blasting someone for their flawed perceptions..if you want to change minds you don't do it by attacking what they believe currently..i'm learning, you listen

I have to disagree here.

From the beginning of this thread, anyone who has not declared Bernie as their personal savior has been hit with reason after reason why we are wrong, and don’t want liberty and justice for all. Okay, paraphrasing to be sure, dramatic at its best.

Even I was referred to as “trashy”, (see above) like all people who judge the crimes of this country by the things that happened in the past. The past? WTF, how about within the last 20 years!!! Words have meaning, and i’m Fucking tired of having pot shots taken at me for having an opinion.

I told Charley once that as a Canadian they had no right to an opinion. I have been embarrassed every since! We are the only 1st world country that knows next to nothing about the politics of our neighbors; everyone else study’s our politics and Constitution in school!

Can we all get back to the Presidential 2020 race? Can we try? Is all of this arguing and name calling doing anyone any good?

I pledge to get back on topic, can anyone else?

[Martina]

Originally Posted by Martina

Without a doubt, and speaking the truth is valuable. But using history as an excuse to talk trash about an entire group of people is, well, trashy.

I was referring to Collette who talks trash about Dems, particular politicians, and our process in general. She used to barely conceal her contempt for Butch femme identities. I've never understood why she wants to hang out here since she has so little respect for us.