2020 Presidential Election

kittygrrl · 06-29-2019, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

Not trying to dump on you kitty, but remember where nice and Hilary got us last time.....

I honestly don't mind Tinkerbelly

MsTinkerbelly · 06-29-2019, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kittygrrl

I honestly don't mind Tinkerbelly

I always find having a discussion with you to be refreshing.

~ocean · 06-29-2019, 06:48 AM

thankfully we live in a freedom of speech country, with very tender subject like politics , we can SHARE our views ! always remember to nod that we are free thinkers and someone's views can open our eyes to another way to look at a subject ~ bashing is as classless as being ignorant to other country's politics. The up coming year is going to be intense . ** smiling ** and ^ 5's all my sister's. be kind ~

Martina · 06-29-2019, 07:14 AM

Spoil sport!

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Originally Posted by ~ocean

thankfully we live in a freedom of speech country, with very tender subject like politics , we can SHARE our views ! always remember to nod that we are free thinkers and someone's views can open our eyes to another way to look at a subject ~ bashing is as classless as being ignorant to other country's politics. The up coming year is going to be intense . ** smiling ** and ^ 5's all my sister's. be kind ~

dark_crystal · 06-29-2019, 09:22 AM

Since the debates i feel i could do a 180 from my position last year and declare that we do need to split the party into liberals vs. progressives.

Today I really felt like the progressives should not have been at these debates. I do not feel like progressives are dragging centrists to the left, and i do feel like sharing the stage with centrists is forcing progressives to leave a lot unsaid.

They just should not be competing for the same base of voters, and i feel like the real differences between the two wings are obscured when they try to share any platform.

Put Gabbard, Yang, Williamson, and Bernie (etc?) on one stage and the rest of them(?) on another stage and let the winners debate each other.

Centrists gonna centrist. Let the centrists debate themselves and let the progressives debate themselves. Let the real values of each wing crystallize around their very best person and let them confront each other directly.

Let people compare apples to oranges instead of having ideologically polarized candidates try to pretend they're all apples.

Right now the two wings are trying to put on different sleeves of the same jacket. Voters need to see two separate jackets.

I have been listening to the audiobook of The Chapo Guide to Revolution and i just feel like progressives hate the democratic party too much to continue trying to do a makeover on it in good faith.

Progressives should be their own party. And 2020 might be a perfect storm year for that.

Trump IS very weak. Bernie is very strong. Progressives may not get anyone as strong as Bernie for decades-- someone that could peel off enough support from centrism-- given the opportunity to run directly against it-- to outnumber what remains of Trump's base. There may be no other candidate for awhile who has enough grassroots support to be able to viably turn their back on a major party.

kittygrrl · 06-29-2019, 10:59 AM

just to have a little perspective on why i don't like Harris at all...she and Biden are friends..she asked him to campaign for her when she ran for the Senate..what a hellacious way to pay him back..no wonder he looked shocked and then very sad..what a Benedict Arnold she is w no moral compass..she is worse then a boogey man because she likes to pretend she is righteous & so above it all instead of being transparent and admit to being the low-life bottom feeder, she is

C0LLETTE · 06-29-2019, 01:20 PM

Sometimes I think that politics is like an onion. Some people sit at the centre with very strong views, cut away, and angrily try to draw everyone in. Tears come fast and strong.
Others are on the outside peel ring and see it is the biggest and the easiest to peel off, peel by peel. Tears still come but you can step away, take a breath and think how deep you want to go.

MsTinkerbelly · 06-30-2019, 01:14 PM

Well, Biden stuck his foot in his mouth again at a fundraiser hosted by a prominent member of Seattle’s LBBTQIA community.

While giving his speech he gave an example of “how far the LGBT community has come” by saying that just 5 years ago people in Seattle would still be able to laugh at a gay waiter.

Who writes his stuff? Seattle has always been full of us, and no one would have put up with homophobic crap 5 years ago! I know he means well, but at some point this “open mouth insert foot” spiel of his needs to stop before he offends every group he needs to vote for him!

charley · 07-03-2019, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Martina

Spoil sport!

CENSORED..... CENSORED..... (rflmao)

homoe · 06-29-2019, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ~ocean

thankfully we live in a freedom of speech country, with very tender subject like politics , we can SHARE our views ! always remember to nod that we are free thinkers and someone's views can open our eyes to another way to look at a subject ~ bashing is as classless as being ignorant to other country's politics. The up coming year is going to be intense . ** smiling ** and ^ 5's all my sister's. be kind ~

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06-29-2019, 06:48 AM	#3
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06-29-2019, 09:22 AM	#5
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MsTinkerbelly Timed Out - TOS Drama How Do You Identify?: ... Preferred Pronoun?: ... Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ... Posts: 6,573 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 30,737 Thanked 22,907 Times in 5,017 Posts Rep Power: 0	Well, Biden stuck his foot in his mouth again at a fundraiser hosted by a prominent member of Seattle’s LBBTQIA community. While giving his speech he gave an example of “how far the LGBT community has come” by saying that just 5 years ago people in Seattle would still be able to laugh at a gay waiter. Who writes his stuff? Seattle has always been full of us, and no one would have put up with homophobic crap 5 years ago! I know he means well, but at some point this “open mouth insert foot” spiel of his needs to stop before he offends every group he needs to vote for him!