2020 Presidential Election

[Cin]

Originally Posted by dark_crystal

But a post by host Will Menaker last night is drawing ire, where he pledged to refuse to vote for anyone but Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in the 2020 election, should Sanders lose the nomination.

“I won’t vote for anyone but Bernie in the general, can’t say what the hundreds of thousands of people who listen to my show will do, but I’m only speaking for myself. Just something to consider,” he wrote on Twitter[/INDENT][/I]
There it is. My worst nightmare and the whole reason i started this thread the on day i did

BUT

i'm not going to spend any time crying about how shady this is. i'm going to spend my time begging and pleading for everyone to for god's sake just obey the loud white man. I am not even being satirical with that, i am fucking terrified

Don't be terrified. Well, don't be terrified of that anyway. Bernie bros refusing to support the democratic candidate is not the reason the dems will lose the election. It's not the reason Trump won in 2016 and it's not the reason Trump will win again in 2020. Check out his approval ratings.They are the highest they have ever been and this is in the midst of an impeachment hearing. Lots of people love him. Bernie's supporters are not the reason we will have to bear another 4 years of this idiot. Bernie bros are not alone in cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Political groups across the spectrum have well documented tantrums when they don't get their way. I had hoped the DNC would find a candidate who has a chance to win this election and support him or her. But they have sold their souls to the devil (or maybe it's corporations hard to tell difference sometimes) and if the candidate they want can't win so be it. And they have the kind of power that Bernie supporters do not, check out how they have gummed up the works so far. We are supposed to believe what happened in Iowa was just one of those things. Better to appear incompetent than evil I guess. They are the real threat to throw this election. Be terrified of that.

[BullDog]

Ugh I shouldn't have looked. I am not going to be held hostage by the Bernie Bros. The last person on earth I would ever vote for in the Primaries is Bernie Sanders. If he wins the nomination, of course, I will be forced to vote for him and then brace for the landslide Chump victory.

I am sick and tired of Sanders and the toxic segment of his supporters (not all of his supporters) trying to destroy the Democratic party.

The conspiracy theories about the app really need to stop. Wishful thinking on my part. No one would manufacture this sheer incompetence.

I have voted in many places and the volunteers are almost always over the age of 70. So you are going to introduce a new app and not have enough phone support and have a ridiculous amount of math and complex rules to calculate the results and you think it's going to go fine?

Plus the rules were being violated right on TV - according to the rules, in the realignment people who were not originally viable weren't supposed to get to become viable on the second round. People were joining together to make someone viable. Way too complicated.

The Iowa Democratic party and DNC are to blame but there is no bloody conspiracy. Also, Sanders is the one that wanted the extra numbers reported - which complicated a ridiculous complicated process even further. He likes caucuses when he likes them and then when he doesn't he tries to turn them into a semi-primary. No matter what happens everyone is against him. Waaaa.

There is no bloody conspiracy. Knock it off. Sounds like Trumpers. If someone wanted to design an app for nefarious reasons they would claim it was working great and feed it bogus results - not tell everyone it was broken and have a paper trail.

Why does a little all-white state with a ridiculous caucus get to have so much sway on the primary process anyway, followed by another all-white small state with a primary? It sucks. NH can easily be mucked up by "independents" (Trumpers) voting in the primary to vote for whoever they think is least likely to beat Trump.

Trump can definitely be defeated but right now I don't see any good candidate that can. Beyond frustrating. It's definitely not Sanders.

God I should never have looked. Over and out.

[Cin]

Originally Posted by BullDog

God I should never have looked. Over and out.

I agree with you on this. I don't know what possessed me. Out of here.

[BullDog]

Well, according to Rachel Maddow, it looks like there may have been some Trumpsters jamming the phone lines in Iowa. So that might have actually been at least partly why people couldn't phone in their results.

To me, phoning in results doesn't seem super reliable either, but I guess that's how they have always done it before the new app. But results still don't appear to be totally right even though they are 100% in now - probably wouldn't affect the delegate counts. Get rid of the caucus.

I am annoyed at both Buttigieg and Sanders trying to declare they won. Buttigieg on the night of - with no results in - and then today Sanders trying to claim victory based on the popular vote from the first round - this is a caucus not a primary. Dudes you tied, quit being dishonest.