2020 Presidential Election

charley · 03-05-2020, 09:59 AM

Apparently, Warren is ending her presidential campaign - it was a good & honest campaign; her plan was realistic, unlike Bernie's financial plan - which is still a big fat lie. He lies a lot, will say anything to win, to have power, and he doesn't apologize for his words; he also blows off women who confront him with his lies - like he blew off Maddow. I don't think Maddow hates Bernie, I think it was clear that she didn't trust him and was just being polite, you would have to be a fool to trust him. Another old white man who hungers for power, making promises that can't be realized.

All his financial plans, even that of wiping out student debt seems fabulous and over the moon. Here, in Canada, we pay for our education. [I paid off all my student debts, btw.] Loads of poc in the U.S. are poor, living simply, and just working check to check; they are poor and most of the things that Bernie is promising have little to do with their daily lives.

GeorgiaMa'am · 03-05-2020, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by charley

Loads of poc in the U.S. are poor, living simply, and just working check to check; they are poor and most of the things that Bernie is promising have little to do with their daily lives.

Not just POC. There are many poor POC, but not all POC are poor, and not all poor people are POC.

C0LLETTE · 03-05-2020, 03:34 PM

If we keep sinking candidates like Elizabeth Warren, we’ll never get the leaders we need.
JOHANNA SCHNELLER
SPECIAL TO THE GLOBE AND MAIL/PUBLISHED MARCH 5, 2020

I’m not going to feign impartiality here: I am heartbroken that Elizabeth Warren has dropped out of the U.S. Democratic primary race. Once again, a highly intelligent, qualified, organized, thoughtful, empathetic candidate couldn’t get traction with American voters – in large part because she is a woman. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

Democrats – I am one, a U.S. citizen who votes in Pennsylvania – insist they want the opposite of Donald Trump. No one is more opposite to an ill-informed, lazy, petulant, divisive, underqualified liar than Ms. Warren. So what stopped voters from embracing her? They call it caution: “Yes,” goes the conversation I’ve had dozens of times with dozens of people in the last dozen months, “it would be great to vote for my ideal candidate, but Trump is so dangerous, we must elect the practical candidate, the person who can beat him, and I just don’t think Warren can.”...

Meanwhile, the two males who defeated her are the embodiment of shouty, and of risky. To impersonate Joe Biden, Stephen Colbert puts on a pair of aviator sunglasses, tips his head back and YELLS. To do Bernie Sanders, Larry David hunches over, waves his arms, and YELLS. To do Ms. Warren, Kate McKinnon bounds around energetically and whispers. But somehow Ms. Warren is the one who’s too strident.

As for risky – the people I’ve been talking to admit their fears: that Biden is too bland, too middle-of-the-road to appeal to young voters; that Sanders is too divisive, too polarizing to attract the former Trumpers suffering from buyers’ remorse. But they consider those acceptable risks. We must be honest about why that is.

Full confession: I considered not voting for Ms. Warren, too.

Then in the most recent debate, Ms. Warren assailed Mr. Bloomberg, and shook me out of my fugue state. She called him out on his specific practices, his specific ethos. She critiqued things he had done, and explained clearly why they were not acceptable. I actually blushed with chagrin. The ways I’ve been conditioned to put men’s needs first! The things I am willing to forgive powerful men for! And if I’ve internalized the patriarchy to that degree, everyone has.

The spaces of power, the boardrooms and government offices, were not designed for women, or queer people, or people of colour. They’re not set up for our needs. Some of us get in there by accommodating, by contorting ourselves, by lying low or going high, by pretending we don’t notice that we’re being looked through or talked over.

Ms. Warren didn’t pretend to be less than she is. She is smart. She is organized. She does know what she’s talking about. She believes we should listen to her. She knows she’s right about a lot of things, and she doesn’t apologize for it. That threatens, consciously or unconsciously, the public’s comfort level. People love Mr. Sanders’ authenticity, and Mr. Biden’s. Ms. Warren’s authenticity, however – it’s just a bit too much./...

If we keep cutting and running from women candidates at the last minute, we’ll never get the leaders we want. We’ll just keep getting the ones we deserve.

dark_crystal · 03-06-2020, 08:19 AM

I think Sanders is still viable. There are more than enough states left, and his campaign got a good look at where their weaknesses are. The youth vote did not turn out as expected, for example. Maybe the youth are freaked out by that and will flood the polls in the next few states.

Also Latinx. Texas has a lot of effectively disenfranchised Latinx, but maybe those in the next few states will see this as a wake up call, as well.

I will support Biden, though. It's like eating a Little Debbie when you could have had a donut, but i like Little Debbies ok

03-05-2020, 09:59 AM	#1
charley Timed Out - Permanent How Do You Identify?: gentle stonebutch [vanilla] Relationship Status: single Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: canada Posts: 497 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 906 Thanked 1,204 Times in 422 Posts Rep Power: 0	Warren drops out Apparently, Warren is ending her presidential campaign - it was a good & honest campaign; her plan was realistic, unlike Bernie's financial plan - which is still a big fat lie. He lies a lot, will say anything to win, to have power, and he doesn't apologize for his words; he also blows off women who confront him with his lies - like he blew off Maddow. I don't think Maddow hates Bernie, I think it was clear that she didn't trust him and was just being polite, you would have to be a fool to trust him. Another old white man who hungers for power, making promises that can't be realized. All his financial plans, even that of wiping out student debt seems fabulous and over the moon. Here, in Canada, we pay for our education. [I paid off all my student debts, btw.] Loads of poc in the U.S. are poor, living simply, and just working check to check; they are poor and most of the things that Bernie is promising have little to do with their daily lives.

03-05-2020, 03:34 PM	#3
C0LLETTE Practically Lives Here How Do You Identify?: Depends on the day. Preferred Pronoun?: "I" and "we" Relationship Status: Very good. Thank you for asking. Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 11,501 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 16,676 Thanked 15,177 Times in 4,341 Posts Rep Power: 21474860	If we keep sinking candidates like Elizabeth Warren, we’ll never get the leaders we need. JOHANNA SCHNELLER SPECIAL TO THE GLOBE AND MAIL/PUBLISHED MARCH 5, 2020 I’m not going to feign impartiality here: I am heartbroken that Elizabeth Warren has dropped out of the U.S. Democratic primary race. Once again, a highly intelligent, qualified, organized, thoughtful, empathetic candidate couldn’t get traction with American voters – in large part because she is a woman. Let’s not pretend otherwise. Democrats – I am one, a U.S. citizen who votes in Pennsylvania – insist they want the opposite of Donald Trump. No one is more opposite to an ill-informed, lazy, petulant, divisive, underqualified liar than Ms. Warren. So what stopped voters from embracing her? They call it caution: “Yes,” goes the conversation I’ve had dozens of times with dozens of people in the last dozen months, “it would be great to vote for my ideal candidate, but Trump is so dangerous, we must elect the practical candidate, the person who can beat him, and I just don’t think Warren can.”... Meanwhile, the two males who defeated her are the embodiment of shouty, and of risky. To impersonate Joe Biden, Stephen Colbert puts on a pair of aviator sunglasses, tips his head back and YELLS. To do Bernie Sanders, Larry David hunches over, waves his arms, and YELLS. To do Ms. Warren, Kate McKinnon bounds around energetically and whispers. But somehow Ms. Warren is the one who’s too strident. As for risky – the people I’ve been talking to admit their fears: that Biden is too bland, too middle-of-the-road to appeal to young voters; that Sanders is too divisive, too polarizing to attract the former Trumpers suffering from buyers’ remorse. But they consider those acceptable risks. We must be honest about why that is. Full confession: I considered not voting for Ms. Warren, too. Then in the most recent debate, Ms. Warren assailed Mr. Bloomberg, and shook me out of my fugue state. She called him out on his specific practices, his specific ethos. She critiqued things he had done, and explained clearly why they were not acceptable. I actually blushed with chagrin. The ways I’ve been conditioned to put men’s needs first! The things I am willing to forgive powerful men for! And if I’ve internalized the patriarchy to that degree, everyone has. The spaces of power, the boardrooms and government offices, were not designed for women, or queer people, or people of colour. They’re not set up for our needs. Some of us get in there by accommodating, by contorting ourselves, by lying low or going high, by pretending we don’t notice that we’re being looked through or talked over. Ms. Warren didn’t pretend to be less than she is. She is smart. She is organized. She does know what she’s talking about. She believes we should listen to her. She knows she’s right about a lot of things, and she doesn’t apologize for it. That threatens, consciously or unconsciously, the public’s comfort level. People love Mr. Sanders’ authenticity, and Mr. Biden’s. Ms. Warren’s authenticity, however – it’s just a bit too much./... If we keep cutting and running from women candidates at the last minute, we’ll never get the leaders we want. We’ll just keep getting the ones we deserve. __________________ ______________________________ ______________________________

03-06-2020, 08:19 AM	#4
dark_crystal Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: jenny Preferred Pronoun?: babygirl Relationship Status: First Lady of the United SMH Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,445 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,532 Thanked 26,550 Times in 4,688 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	I think Sanders is still viable. There are more than enough states left, and his campaign got a good look at where their weaknesses are. The youth vote did not turn out as expected, for example. Maybe the youth are freaked out by that and will flood the polls in the next few states. Also Latinx. Texas has a lot of effectively disenfranchised Latinx, but maybe those in the next few states will see this as a wake up call, as well. I will support Biden, though. It's like eating a Little Debbie when you could have had a donut, but i like Little Debbies ok __________________