Coronavirus ~ COVID-19

[homoe]

Surgeon turned U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson got throttled on Saturday for coughing directly into his hand during his opening remarks at a White House press conference addressing the coronavirus pandemic. Neurosurgeon Ben Carson coughed in his hand and then placed that same hand on the podium.

[Apocalipstic]

Anxiety over the economic impact. Then I watched a few chapters of Pandemic. Now I am an anxious mess.

[~ocean]

Originally Posted by Apocalipstic

Anxiety over the economic impact. Then I watched a few chapters of Pandemic. Now I am an anxious mess.

((((( Apocalipstic )))))) stay strong !

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by ~ocean

((((( Apocalipstic )))))) stay strong !

Ocean!

I am trying! Thank you!!!

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by Apocalipstic

Anxiety over the economic impact. Then I watched a few chapters of Pandemic. Now I am an anxious mess.

Being a germophobic ICU nurse, that film had me nearly terrified the first time I saw it (I think it was in 1999). The one that piqued my germphobia was not Pandemic or Epidemic BUT Contagion. Those errors could totally happen realistically. They had done their homework with excellent medical references. Most medical movies I watch saying yeah...right...never gonna happen like that. Many scenes actually had me shaking and yelling at the TV...no...no...don't touch this or that item.

These days I shudder about many things people do and touch. It makes me want to put blue nitrile gloves on before interacting with people. Many people and nearly all children do horribly nasty, germy things without any forethought. I am ecstatic that our nations top doctors are forcing people to wear masks. Now it doesn't look so out of place when I wear gloves or refuse to touch anyone that appears to be unclean or ill in anyway.

My heroes are our Surgeon General and Dr. Fauci. Especially Dr. Fauci. Trump hates him so much, but can't fire him as he is so irreplaceable.

[~ocean]

Originally Posted by cathexis

Being a germophobic ICU nurse, that film had me nearly terrified the first time I saw it (I think it was in 1999). The one that piqued my germphobia was not Pandemic or Epidemic BUT Contagion. Those errors could totally happen realistically. They had done their homework with excellent medical references. Most medical movies I watch saying yeah...right...never gonna happen like that. Many scenes actually had me shaking and yelling at the TV...no...no...don't touch this or that item.

These days I shudder about many things people do and touch. It makes me want to put blue nitrile gloves on before interacting with people. Many people and nearly all children do horribly nasty, germy things without any forethought. I am ecstatic that our nations top doctors are forcing people to wear masks. Now it doesn't look so out of place when I wear gloves or refuse to touch anyone that appears to be unclean or ill in anyway.

My heroes are our Surgeon General and Dr. Fauci. Especially Dr. Fauci. Trump hates him so much, but can't fire him as he is so irreplaceable.

excellent post ~

[Cin]

Originally Posted by cathexis

These days I shudder about many things people do and touch. It makes me want to put blue nitrile gloves on before interacting with people. Many people and nearly all children do horribly nasty, germy things without any forethought. I am ecstatic that our nations top doctors are forcing people to wear masks. Now it doesn't look so out of place when I wear gloves or refuse to touch anyone that appears to be unclean or ill in anyway.

People with gloves scare me. I'm not convinced they get it. Once you put on gloves they will shortly become as dirty as your hands. I have always hated seeing people with gloves. I am terrified imagining the things they have touched with those gloved hands. And gloved people often act as though those gloves somehow keep their hands sanitary. When just the opposite is the reality. Some stores here in my neighborhood won't let you come in to the store with gloves only masks. Weird but true. At least with this particular virus, it doesn't matter as far as gloves or people touching stuff, unless you touch your face with the virus they have on their gloves or with the virus they just deposited with their gloves or hands on some object that you touched and then touched your face. Just DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Viruses can't jump into your mouth or up your nose or into your eyes. You need to give them a ride. Just don't touch your face. However, droplets, aerosols, airborne or not are problematic, but wear a mask and keep your distance. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face. This is what I say to myself while I am out and about. It's easy to get complacent.

[Cin]

I forgot to add, if you wear gloves remember don't touch your face with your gloved hands.

Masks make me touch my face more than I would like because they slip all around. That is a problem I haven't figured out yet. I keep saying don't touch your face to myself, but when the mask blocks my eyes I don't have a choice. I can't see. I don't know if it's just me but I have a hell of a time with masks slipping around. My wife complains about it too so probably not just me.

[Kätzchen]

That wearing gloves thing? I cant wear latex or nitrile gloves. Allergic to latex, nitrile gloves harbor sweat on your hands which translated into contact dermatitis (for me). Took me two months to get that cleared up. Instead, for gloves, i use breathable gloves made by Winchester Protective Gear. Now my hands can breathe, plus i have enough gloves on hand so that i can wear a fresh pair daily, then wash them with laundry each weekend.

I also bought goggles, to wear over my prescription glasses, so no more foggy lenses to deal with.

But, gosh. Surface contamination and cross-contamination issues definitely gets the attention it deserves now, thanks to Covid19 and its huge concerning issues.

I clean my keys, steering wheel, and just about any surface that is a likely or unlikely point of contact.

Hand washing, keep your eyes protected, stop touching your face and gosh, clean clean clean.

[Vincent]

After all the boasting about how well Australia was doing was all lies.
All the cases in March were Australians coming home from Over seas,something that was totally over looked by the media.
We are not in a second wave at all, now have unknown community transmission,thats all.

Aust has the most concentrated media in the first world

Covid is now devastating Victoria,but now is happening in my State NSW.

Our happy clapper PM,thinks Trump is a genious.....................need I say more........no I didn't think so.

We could have been NZ,but no dumbo is following Trump,coz he has been such a sucess.

Don't believe the lies about Australia

TBH,I got sucked in to,not understanding the difference,unkown community transmission has on the spread of the disease.

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by Cin

People with gloves scare me. I'm not convinced they get it. Once you put on gloves they will shortly become as dirty as your hands. I have always hated seeing people with gloves. I am terrified imagining the things they have touched with those gloved hands. And gloved people often act as though those gloves somehow keep their hands sanitary. When just the opposite is the reality. Some stores here in my neighborhood won't let you come in to the store with gloves only masks. Weird but true. At least with this particular virus, it doesn't matter as far as gloves or people touching stuff, unless you touch your face with the virus they have on their gloves or with the virus they just deposited with their gloves or hands on some object that you touched and then touched your face. Just DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Viruses can't jump into your mouth or up your nose or into your eyes. You need to give them a ride. Just don't touch your face. However, droplets, aerosols, airborne or not are problematic, but wear a mask and keep your distance. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face. This is what I say to myself while I am out and about. It's easy to get complacent.

Fear of people with gloves on is reasonable. I would recoil from a person who walked up trying to touch me nor would I go around touching random patients, but the one being touched does not know that. The only acts a worker can perform in my room with already donned gloves would involve possibly contaminated items. What I would wear the gloves for include door handles, faucet handles, elevator buttons, trash, bodily fluids and the like. I would not touch my face with a gloved hand (30 years as a Critical Care RN).
Gloves would be changed frequently with brisk hand washing. It's difficult to maintain, but know I can last 16 hours in isolation, and rarely away from home base that long recalling the days of private duty of HIV before anyone knew what it was and what precautions to take. I consider everything in home base somewhere on the clean end of my clean/contaminated scale.
Indeed aerosol, droplet contamination is a problem. The sclera is exposed unless one also has a face shield on. Pretty soon we will have people walking around gowned for full isolation. I want my shoe covers and hat too.lol We had better get a vaccine or herd immunity soon.

[homoe]

President Donald Trump got history wrong on multiple counts Monday when he claimed that the “1917” Spanish flu pandemic likely led to the end of World War II ― which began more than two decades later.

“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing where they lost anywhere from 50 to 100 million people,” Trump said during his White House press briefing. “Probably ended the Second World War, all the soldiers were sick.”

Leading up to that comment, Trump had been praising his administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic that has killed more than 160,000 people in the U.S., claiming without evidence that without his ban on foreign travelers, millions more would be dead.

Trump has incorrectly referred to the year of the 1918 pandemic dozens of times, even though his own grandfather Frederick Trump died of it in New York City in 1918.

[Cin]

Originally Posted by cathexis

Fear of people with gloves on is reasonable. I would recoil from a person who walked up trying to touch me nor would I go around touching random patients, but the one being touched does not know that. The only acts a worker can perform in my room with already donned gloves would involve possibly contaminated items. What I would wear the gloves for include door handles, faucet handles, elevator buttons, trash, bodily fluids and the like. I would not touch my face with a gloved hand (30 years as a Critical Care RN).
Gloves would be changed frequently with brisk hand washing. It's difficult to maintain, but know I can last 16 hours in isolation, and rarely away from home base that long recalling the days of private duty of HIV before anyone knew what it was and what precautions to take. I consider everything in home base somewhere on the clean end of my clean/contaminated scale.
Indeed aerosol, droplet contamination is a problem. The sclera is exposed unless one also has a face shield on. Pretty soon we will have people walking around gowned for full isolation. I want my shoe covers and hat too.lol We had better get a vaccine or herd immunity soon.

I am not concerned with health care professionals wearing gloves, but the average person makes me nervous. I worry they will think gloves are a substitute for washing their hands and it concerns me how often people might try to reuse them or just wear the same pair all day. Masks are necessary for everyone for sure even though they pose possibilities for misuse and contamination and one should educate oneself on mask safety. But I don't think gloves, outside of healthcare and food service,are really necessary for the average person under usual circumstances. It just adds another element that can go wrong to an already complicated situation. If you can't wash your hands for some reason and have a few pairs it's certainly helpful. I just see so much potential for misuse and cross contamination for the average person with gloves. I think masks are risky enough, but necessary.

Ya, the sclera is a problem with aerosol contamination but I imagine it would take a direct hit from a cough or a sneeze to send enough of a viral load into your eyes and it probably would get through a mask as well unless it's an N-95. Hopefully there is only short-range aerosol transmission mostly in crowded, poorly ventilated spaces. Hopefully droplets don't hang in the air long enough either. But who knows.This virus might be more contagious than first believed.If you cannot maintain a safe distance and have to be indoors with people outside of your bubble I suppose a face shield over a mask is the best course of action. However, I find it hard to breath like that. But I would find it harder to breath on a ventilator I'm sure. I guess I'm hoping that just a mask will do the trick. But maybe just a shield is better than just a mask for the average person doing average daily activities. Masks often move around and require adjusting and therefore put you at risk of contamination. Shields don't do that. But I have masks so...

LOL. shoe covers, hat, gown yep. I'm kidding but who knows what the future holds, this virus is a tad on the wimpy side and yet pretty much brought the world to its knees, god help us if the next one is both deadly and airborne with a robust protein shell making it hard to kill.

[clay]

Originally Posted by Cin

Ya, the sclera is a problem with aerosol contamination but I imagine it would take a direct hit from a cough or a sneeze to send enough of a viral load into your eyes and it probably would get through a mask as well unless it's an N-95. Hopefully there is only short-range aerosol transmission mostly in crowded, poorly ventilated spaces. Hopefully droplets don't hang in the air [B]long enough either. [/B]But who knows.This virus might be more contagious than first believed.If you cannot maintain a safe distance and have to be indoors with people outside of your bubble I suppose a face shield over a mask is the best course of action. However, I find it hard to breath like that. But I would find it harder to breath on a ventilator I'm sure. I guess I'm hoping that just a mask will do the trick. But maybe just a shield is better than just a mask for the average person doing average daily activities. Masks often move around and require adjusting and therefore put you at risk of contamination. Shields don't do that. But I have masks so.

<snipped your conversation except above..

Droplets can/DO hang in air & on the floor for up to 8 hrs. A person in say aisle 1 sneezes OR coughs, and is maskless..those droplets (called "goblet cells") are dispersed 27 feet outward....Another person comes down that aisle, isn't wearing a mask, or if wearing one, incorrectly, or wrong kind, will inhale a small percentage of those same goblet cells, PLUS will have them on their clothing, and the soles of their shoes. Once home, touch the soles to removes their shoes, later touches their face, voila....

Also, wearing gloves has potential to cross contaminate everything they touch....fruits, vegetables, everything...face, steering wheel, keys, phones. etc. It is not really wise to wear those in public, as general population does not know how to do so correctly nor have access to many gloves to change each time an item is touched.

Face Shields are NOT a good protectant. Sides are open, much more access for contaminants to get onto your person. Really good quality facemasks are the ticket, IF worn correctly, cleaned often, & worn to cover one's mouth AND nose...:0

I have 2 N95 masks, about a dozen of really thick, COTTON cloth ones, and several others. I wear each once, then it gets washed & air dried! Most of mine has the wire on bridge of nose to properly seal it onto my face.

Speaking from my nursing background, & I am sure my friend, cathexis, will also validate what I say.....

Just some FYI....carry on

[~ocean]

Originally Posted by homoe

Surgeon turned U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson got throttled on Saturday for coughing directly into his hand during his opening remarks at a White House press conference addressing the coronavirus pandemic. Neurosurgeon Ben Carson coughed in his hand and then placed that same hand on the podium.

Homoe I saw that my whole family commented as we were watching it. all at once we all said ewwwwwwwww I wonder if he just spread the virus. this is why its a pandemic ~

[A. Spectre]

We are ALL in this together, even decent people are falling for the hysterics of this situation. We need to be steady, calm and resilient. Help the weaker among us, the elderly at the store who may not be able to reach something. Pay forward (if you are able) to the woman with the 3 kids in line purchasing milk.

Take a breath and make decisions based on mental clarity, not emotion.

We will get through this and hopefully this country can be on the path to unity and overcome anus 45s incompetency.

[Jedi]

We are self quarantined as we both are at risk. There are so many mixed messages about this thing. I just wash my hands more and use hand sanitizer more. We stopped going out and will just do so when necessary. The funny thing is we went to the store and skipped the liquor store and now I'm kinda kicking myself. We will survive but it could have been a bit more fun. I worry a lot about my parents who are in their 70s but quite fit and in good health. They live 1600 miles away. I really am disgusted by the greed we as humans are showing. I'm kinda wishing we had a car so I could take supplies to older shut ins. I feel the need to help during this. Since my grandparents died, I have wanted to adopt new ones. I was lucky to have my grandparents alive into my 40s. I worry for our elderly. We have much to learn from them. I have seen every kind of post in my facebook lately. Anything from this is like the common cold to pray to Jesus for your health. I really hope that everyone takes this just a bit seriously and starts to social distance. It is for the greater good. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one as Spock wisely said. I hope everyone here stays safe and we as a planet can minimize the deaths that could occur. I would hate to be one of those Italian Doctors who has to decide who lives or dies. That's heavy on your shoulders. I sincerely hope that in this awful time we can all come together and support each other through it. And remember this stuff come election time.

[JDeere]

I refuse to live in fear...

I've already died twice... So this shit dont scare me.

I also refuse to give into the panic, etc due to media.

I will be going in to work and Friday i will be driving to Oklahoma.

Its tiring hearing different stories online and in media about this virus... We will never know the truth or have stories, facts aligned.

So of youre not compromised... Go live life... If you are... Do what u gotta do.

Im not gonna be controlled by anyone including the government

[Buckaroo]

This isn't about one person. This is about the whole country. I'm in good health and very unlikely ill get serious complications with this virus. My fear isn't for me...its for the vulnerable. Though I may remain healthy... I would hate to think my frivolousness would cause the illness of others. So when people are asked to not travel or go out in public..its, not for just one person.. it's for those that are at greater risk. Though I'm in healthcare i don't pretend for one second i know more than the experts. This is a new virus to humans..this isn't flu...this isn't SARS..this This isn't MERS...this is COVID19. To think anyone knows more than the experts is laughable and downright dangerous. If you don't care about your own health...then at least care about others.

[tantalizingfemme]

My best friend's parents were on the Grand Princess cruise ship that had 3500 passengers on board where 21 were tested positive. Her parents are now in Georgia. Her mother was exhibiting symptoms before they disembarked and was not tested. Her mother now has pneumonia and was just put on oxygen this morning; she is barely eating. They are still waiting for test results. THIS is why we need to be vigilant about what we do. This affects those who are vulnerable. Cavalier attitudes about this is what will make this pandemic bigger than it should be.

I work in an agency whose clients all have IDD. Most of the individuals are medically fragile. Our agency cannot close as we are essential. While I do not provide direct care, many individuals and those who work directly with them come to the main office for meetings and to see the nurses. We just closed down our day program and stopped all live trainings. I have to go in. So I know I can unintentionally expose these folks to the virus if I am not careful. Exposure to a lot of them would mean certain death. I am socially isolating myself so that I can limit potential exposure. It is the least I can do for them and others in the world.