2020 Presidential Election

[Baby_Yoda]

I am going to say this one time... I am voting for whichever Democrat is on the ballot. Whatever stories and allegations that come up against that person can not be worse than those about Trump. Political standing aside, any of them that started campaigning, whether dropped out or still running, would make a way better president than Trump. Aside from that, voting for a third party or not voting at all might as well be counted as a vote for Trump at this point. Anyone that does not want Trump as president for another 4 years, should do the same.

[~ocean]

The baboon could be up for an IMPEACHMET ll << yes 2nd impeachment !! FBI from what I read has the goods on Dolly Hands ( ty Spectre )and Russia ~

[Baby_Yoda]

Originally Posted by ~ocean

The baboon could be up for an IMPEACHMET ll << yes 2nd impeachment !! FBI from what I read has the goods on Dolly Hands ( ty Spectre )and Russia ~

An impeachment is not worth the cost or time for the proceedings. Senate will not convict no matter the proof provided for any charges brought nor will his base ever recognize the truth.

[~ocean]

your so right !! I'm not sure if any president has been impeached 2 x's or not ~ do you think somewhere out there , their is someone making YOUR FIRED T- shirts.

[Orema]

Originally Posted by Baby_Yoda

An impeachment is not worth the cost or time for the proceedings. Senate will not convict no matter the proof provided for any charges brought nor will his base ever recognize the truth.

I used to think so, too, but not anymore. Let’s pay the cost — political, economical, psychological — knowing the senate won’t convict and the Supreme Court would probably rule in Trump’s favor (if proceedings went that far on any related issues).

Let’s pay and put it on the record that Trump’s actions were challenged with impeachment.

I’m willing to pay and now feel obligated to do so.

That said, I don’t think it’s likely he’ll be impeached again, but I’d support it if he was.

[C0LLETTE]

Want to have a government free ( for the most part ) of accusations of sexual assault by leaders....elect women.

I never heard the faintest rumour of Indira Gandhi or Golda Meir sexually assaulting anyone.

[Baby_Yoda]

Originally Posted by Orema

I used to think so, too, but not anymore. Let’s pay the cost — political, economical, psychological — knowing the senate won’t convict and the Supreme Court would probably rule in Trump’s favor (if proceedings went that far on any related issues).

Let’s pay and put it on the record that Trump’s actions were challenged with impeachment.

I’m willing to pay and now feel obligated to do so.

That said, I don’t think it’s likely he’ll be impeached again, but I’d support it if he was.

Think of the possible negative repercussions at the point though. A second attempt at impeachment could have serious fallout on Democrats from the middle. While most have already decided who they will vote for or at least not vote for there is still a healthy group of middle ground voters who have not. A second impeachment trial will look more like Dems are just out for blood. If I thought there was a chance of it succeeding I would be all for it myself. This close to an election then it should be held until after elections just in case the joker somehow pulls it off again.

[Baby_Yoda]

Aside from that a few key Senate seats are on the ballot this year that could change the majority increasing the odds of an impeachment being successful.

[Kelt]

Originally Posted by Baby_Yoda

I am going to say this one time... I am voting for whichever Democrat is on the ballot. Whatever stories and allegations that come up against that person can not be worse than those about Trump. Political standing aside, any of them that started campaigning, whether dropped out or still running, would make a way better president than Trump. Aside from that, voting for a third party or not voting at all might as well be counted as a vote for Trump at this point. Anyone that does not want Trump as president for another 4 years, should do the same.

I reluctantly agree at this point I feel there is simply no option.

I am concerned by the fact that I believe we will end up with an appointed president. That is to say that whoever Biden chooses as his running mate will have a fair chance of ending up running this country and possibly before the end of his first term. In addition to a number of health challenges that can come his way at his age and in this time of medical uncertainty, he is showing very clear signs of cognitive decline. I can’t help but wonder if he is up to the challenge of steering this country through the next couple of bound to be bumpy years. If not, it will be his chosen and not elected running mate we will have to pick up the pieces. We are between a rock and a hard place.

[Baby_Yoda]

Originally Posted by Kelt

I reluctantly agree at this point I feel there is simply no option.

I am concerned by the fact that I believe we will end up with an appointed president. That is to say that whoever Biden chooses as his running mate will have a fair chance of ending up running this country and possibly before the end of his first term. In addition to a number of health challenges that can come his way at his age and in this time of medical uncertainty, he is showing very clear signs of cognitive decline. I can’t help but wonder if he is up to the challenge of steering this country through the next couple of bound to be bumpy years. If not, it will be his chosen and not elected running mate we will have to pick up the pieces. We are between a rock and a hard place.

There is talk of Harris being his running mate so even if something happens to Biden she was my first choice for president out if all the Dems. Of course nothing is solid in that yet anyone beats Trump either way. A 10 year old couldn't do any worse.

[BullDog]

Biden has no signs of cognitive decline. He stuttered as a child and still needs to compensate for it and sometimes stumbles over a few words here and there.

Of course, the Bros spread that far and wide before the phony rape charge. Now they all act like fake feminists.

BTW she accused her ex-husband of the same thing - same description of the alleged event, and it also appears in one of her late father's novels- both of them without the Senate hallway of course. But using the digits in both of them. Would someone actually do that in a hallway in the Senate. Really?

[Martina]

I see some evidence of cognitive decline. We've all watched him for years. There's a difference. Is it enough to affect his work? Who knows. It worries me a little. I hope he picks a good VP.

Re the most recent sexual assault allegation from Tara Reade, I don't believe it. But of course it has to be investigated.

[BullDog]

I strongly disagree that Biden shows signs of cognitive decline. People need to educate themselves on what people with stuttering challenges go through -especially when talking spur of the moment. Obviously he has accomplished a great deal in his life and overcome many challenges and adversity.

The Bros would cobble together video snippets as “proof.”. Really dudes you were supporting a guy a year older and who had a heart attack. Get real.

Does Biden seem a bit older than even when he was Vice President? Yes and he is by a few years. Quite frankly Trump, Sanders, and Biden are all on the old side to be president yet they were the final three left standing.

Unlike the current narcissist in the White House, Biden welcomes having strong and accomplished people around him. I have a strong hunch he is going to pick Kamala Harris for VP. We’ll see. He will have a strong team.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I strongly disagree that Biden shows signs of cognitive decline. People need to educate themselves on what people with stuttering challenges go through -especially when talking spur of the moment. Obviously he has accomplished a great deal in his life and overcome many challenges and adversity.

The Bros would cobble together video snippets as “proof.”. Really dudes you were supporting a guy a year older and who had a heart attack. Get real.

Does Biden seem a bit older than even when he was Vice President? Yes and he is by a few years. Quite frankly Trump, Sanders, and Biden are all on the old side to be president yet they were the final three left standing.

Unlike the current narcissist in the White House, Biden welcomes having strong and accomplished people around him. I have a strong hunch he is going to pick Kamala Harris for VP. We’ll see. He will have a strong team.

Bullshit. I've been watching him for years. There's a difference, and it has nothing to do with stuttering. Don't tell me to educate myself about speech pathology. I'm a special education teacher. I know a little about it. Why are you so rude, Bulldog?

I haven't even seen any videos on the subject put together by the Sanders camp. And I am sick as fuck of hearing us referred to as Bros. Want to influence people to vote third party? Keep calling them Bernie Bros.

Re Sanders and even Trump, they aren't showing their age the way Biden is. It varies.

My reason for not trusting Reade is that she reported it differently two times. But I think Congress and the FBI need to do a thorough investigation.

[charley]

Originally Posted by Martina

I see some evidence of cognitive decline. We've all watched him for years. There's a difference. Is it enough to affect his work? Who knows. It worries me a little. I hope he picks a good VP.

Re the most recent sexual assault allegation from Tara Reade, I don't believe it. But of course it has to be investigated.

IDK about Biden's cognitive decline, but he is ageing, and some slowness in any cognitive response is normal. Unlike MF-45* (the narcissist in chief), Biden does not have an ongoing life history of being a sexual predator.

I don't believe that anything re: any allegations by Tara Reade will eventually have any significant impact on the upcoming American election.

re: Tara Reade, it doesn't seem that she is credible/believable... as per an article in:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinio...mn/3046962001/

* (I must say I like A. Spectre's term - MF-45, so I am borrowing it.)

[BullDog]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/opini...rod/index.html


When it became clear that Barack Obama would be the nominee of the Democratic Party in the spring of 2008, he commissioned a team of lawyers to begin an in-depth vetting process of potential candidates for vice president.

Dozens of women and men under consideration were reviewed. Those who rose on the list of contenders were subject to a deep-dive investigation of their strengths, vulnerabilities and, of course, any disqualifying defects.
At the top of the list of those contenders was Senator Joseph R. Biden of Delaware.

The comprehensive vet certainly would have turned up any formal complaints filed against Biden during his 36-year career in the Senate. It did not. The team would have investigated any salacious rumors of the sort that travel far and wide in Washington. There were none.

While I was not on the vetting team, as senior strategist to the campaign, I was briefed on their work and potential problems.

Through that entire process, the name Tara Reade never came up. No formal complaint. No informal chatter. Certainly, no intimation of sexual harassment or assault from her or anyone else. The team of investigators, expert in their work, would not have missed it.

Reade did not surface her allegations of a criminal sexual assault when Biden was a candidate for president in 2008, nor did she offer them confidentially to the Obama vetting team when Biden emerged as a principal contender for vice president later that year.

Had any credible issue been raised, you can be sure Biden would not have been the nominee. Obama would not have tolerated it, even if he and Biden were close then, which they were not. Their friendship grew only after Biden joined the ticket and through their eight-year partnership in the White House. At that time, they were distant Senate colleagues and most recently rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Our society is just now confronting a long, sordid history of disregarding accusations and silencing women who were sexually abused or assaulted. Women who come forward deserve to be taken seriously and treated with respect, and Tara Reade's story should be heard and thoroughly investigated.

But it is striking that when an experienced vetting team put Biden under a microscope before he was chosen to be second-in-line for the presidency, neither her allegations, nor anything resembling them in Biden's history, showed up.