It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Rook

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/10/tex....html?on.cnn=1


hmmm...

Argh! I believe this is the second incident like this recently. WTF?

A can of worms that needs to be opened- our border patrol shooting children?

[Soon]

Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals


Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona — and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution — to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state senator Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law-enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists — things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...#ixzz0qqes37tY

[Soon]

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals


Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona — and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution — to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state senator Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law-enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists — things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...#ixzz0qqes37tY

WTF? You bet this is against the US Constitution!

Frankly, if this were to be passed, I think it is grounds for charges of treason against Arizona. And that would be the point I'll be making to my congressional representatives as a US citizen! So much of this is not only grounded in anti-Mexican sentiments, but so much a part of the birther mentality about Obama.

This is so nuts!! Where is the nation-wide outrage? Oh, that's right, a hell of a lot of people are just trying to manage financially during the biggest recession since the Great Depression (many trying to re-train, which takes bucks to do) and we are watching The Gulf region change for all time which will end up with more economic hardship for every citizen in the US. When things are tough economically for people, these kinds of anti-immigration sentiments are rampant, historically. Fighting anything but trying to survive gets very difficult and is a prime target for weakness and pushing through this kind of lunatic and bigoted legislation.

You know, I honestly believe that a mass demonstration in AZ from people across the nation fed up with this stuff - enough for a half million porta-potties to be needed is what has to happen! There is great power in porta-potty demonstrations!! Tend to wake people up! Numbers matter!!

Porta-Potty Revolution NOW!!!

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

WTF? You bet this is against the US Constitution!
!

But, but, but, don't you know.....the only Amendment that matters is #2. The tea farty folks and other conservatives raging on about "Constitution this" and "Constitution that" are really only interested in #2. Oh, and #1, but #1 only really applies to them and anyone who agrees with them.

Oh, #1 and #2...now I get it. It's a potty joke!!!!!

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

But, but, but, don't you know.....the only Amendment that matters is #2. The tea farty folks and other conservatives raging on about "Constitution this" and "Constitution that" are really only interested in #2. Oh, and #1, but #1 only really applies to them and anyone who agrees with them.

Oh, #1 and #2...now I get it. It's a potty joke!!!!!

ROLF!

They are a bunch, that is for sure!

I just had to do the porta-potty thing because of how the numbers needed for events are calculated. Yanno.... that would be a big crowd with a half million porta potties calculated at hourly usage needed! Would be in the millions!!! Think of a demonstration that large!!!

Hummm... damn my son for being in the waste (solid, liquid, recycling, you name it)business....

[Linus]

As I thought about this new event and was reading this, I couldn't help but be struck by the irony of today. My company's lawyers filed for my H1-B petition, the precursor towards a green card and potential citizenship. To me, I feel like I'm do not deserve this compared to all those families, kids, friends, etc., who came here truly in search of freedom. Freedom from fear of being attacked by cartels, of potential no hope, and a variety of other things that depress the hopes of individuals.

As I read the Huffington Post article I linked I found the following comment:

I've got a solution to all this. Let's just close up shop. Close down the borders and do not let anyone immigrate here. Yes you could get a temporary work or school visa, but when it's up, it's up, go home. We have enough people here already. We already have a huge mess with this side and that side to everything. Why add more fuel to the fire. No more middle east immigrants. No more Mexican immigrants. No more European immigrants. No more African immigrants. Not even a Canadian. Close it down and take care of people who are here already.

To me, this will do nothing more than strangle the growth of the US. The vast diversity that exists in this country (although the honking of NYC could abate a little) is what makes it great in many ways. The ability to take on challenges and forge through them are what makes Americans unique in many ways.

It is, to me, short-sighted to blame the ills of a city, state or nation on a single factor. There is too much intertwining going on in the world today. Children born in the US should be, by all rights, American citizens (as per Amendment 14, clause #1).

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

(italics mine)

If one denies these children their rights, then how far can the state/gov't go to deny other individual rights?

[MsDemeanor]

I've heard rumor that MN Rep Michele Bachmann is an anchor baby. Can we send her back first?

[dreadgeek]

Linus:

You bring up a really good point--the *real* problems America are facing aren't really related to immigration. Compared to the effects of letting our education system falter and turning our backs on science, they are trivial. Compared to allowing American corporations to move their headquarters off-shore to avoid paying corporate taxes or moving jobs overseas, immigration just fades into the background. Compared to a trillion dollar defense budget all the social services *combined* do not even begin to compete for the amount of weight they have on the economy.

But improving the education system is a long-term project and will require more money with the payoff being intangible, so we don't want to do that. Passing laws that reward good business behavior and punish bad business behavior are difficult so we don't want to do that heavy lifting either. Cutting back our defense spending by, say, half gores way too many sacred cows. Immigrants are easy. They are nice slow-moving target and have the added virtue of large numbers of immigrants looking substantially different than the majority so blaming them is the path we've chosen in this country. Why do the hard thing that will require courage, sacrifice and will when there's a ready-made scapegoat right at hand?

Yes, it's cynical but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

Cheers
Aj

Originally Posted by Linus

As I thought about this new event and was reading this, I couldn't help but be struck by the irony of today. My company's lawyers filed for my H1-B petition, the precursor towards a green card and potential citizenship. To me, I feel like I'm do not deserve this compared to all those families, kids, friends, etc., who came here truly in search of freedom. Freedom from fear of being attacked by cartels, of potential no hope, and a variety of other things that depress the hopes of individuals.

As I read the Huffington Post article I linked I found the following comment:



To me, this will do nothing more than strangle the growth of the US. The vast diversity that exists in this country (although the honking of NYC could abate a little) is what makes it great in many ways. The ability to take on challenges and forge through them are what makes Americans unique in many ways.

It is, to me, short-sighted to blame the ills of a city, state or nation on a single factor. There is too much intertwining going on in the world today. Children born in the US should be, by all rights, American citizens (as per Amendment 14, clause #1).

(italics mine)

If one denies these children their rights, then how far can the state/gov't go to deny other individual rights?

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals


Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona — and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution — to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state senator Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law-enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists — things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...#ixzz0qqes37tY

This stuff makes me ill.