~Butch is a Noun~

Toughy · 06-18-2010, 12:55 AM

I would also highly recommend S/He by Minnie Bruce Pratt.

MsMerrick · 06-18-2010, 07:48 AM

Read it, back when it came out ..heard Bear read it .... Great presentation, if you get a chance ever.. don't miss a reading or performance by Bear : )

EnderD_503 · 06-18-2010, 06:37 PM

I've heard people talk about Butch Is A Noun before, but never got around to reading it. I'll have to pick it up once the TWB opens up again. Apparently Bear is also going to be at Proud Voices at Toronto Pride this year. I was initially invited elsewhere that day, but I think I'll go to Proud Voices instead. Reading through this thread, I think it'll be worth seeing Bear speak.

TruTexan · 02-04-2015, 11:58 AM

I want to get this book next month. I think it's worth reading.

MsMerrick · 06-18-2010, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy

I would also highly recommend S/He by Minnie Bruce Pratt.

Oh yes, seriously yes .. Great book !

The_Lady_Snow · 06-18-2010, 08:00 AM

I am a great admirer of Bear, with that book zi was able to influence and perhaps teach the younger generations about etiquette, life experience and the honor of being intimate with your opposite.

Bear will be in Columbus zi is our key speaker for the trans conference!!!!

Every one queer should read it I feel, but that is just my way of thinking

PS

Yes Toughy!!! Great great book!

adorable · 06-18-2010, 08:06 AM

I would love to meet Bear - Toughy you are lucky! Merrick too. I bet a presentation would be great.

One part of the book that I really loved was when Bear spilled apple juice on hys shirt so that hy could take it off and play.

When I was 5 or 6, my cousin who was a year older and I would play house. I was always the husband because I was taller. So I would go to work while she stayed home and cooked little debbie snacks. She packed my lunch and would hand me the container and kiss me on the lips when I left for the day. Then when I got home, 30 seconds later, she was so excited to see me that she would run and jump into my arms. "My husband is home!!" she would squeal it. We could do that for hours. My other jobs were taking out the garbage and fixing her easy bake oven.

Then one day she didn't kiss me. She said she couldn't because it was guy.
I'm sure that someone told her it was actually GAY but we didn't know what gay was so we assumed what they had said was "guy". LMAO! And she knew by the way that they said that being guy was bad....sooo not wanting to be guy, we couldn't kiss or hug anymore so we just ended our otherwise happy marriage. To this day she is my least favorite cousin.

tiggs · 06-18-2010, 08:47 AM

I haven't read 'Butch is a noun' but from what everyone is saying I think I may have to pick up a copy!

One book that truly touched me was Leslie Fienbergs 'Stone Butch Blues'. I had picked up a copy of the book because of someone I worked with at the time. This was before I had ID'd as femme or had a real understanding of what butch or femme even was. To say the least the book touched my heart. There were so many 'oh my gosh' and 'light bulb' moments when I read the book that I simply couldn't put it down. When I finally finished reading the book I cried and immediately went on the internet to Hys site just so that I could leave a little note to say how much the book had touched me.

It wasn't long after reading the book that I found BF communities on-line and in doing so found myself. Thank gosh for 'ah ha' moments.

Toughy · 06-18-2010, 04:21 PM

I actually need to rectify something.

Bear prefers the pronouns ze and hir. My apologies for using 'he' instead of the preferred ze.

tiggs · 06-18-2010, 05:58 PM

I hope I don't offend anyone and please excuse my ignorance in this but can someone explain something for me?

I have seen and understand Hy and Hym and so on lots but haven't seen ze before, is it gender based somehow? or where does the preferrence for it come from?

Again no disrepect at all intended just would like to understand where/how it is used.

Thanks a bunch

amiyesiam · 06-18-2010, 06:07 PM

Read it when it came out. Great book, recommend it~

adorable · 06-18-2010, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiggs

I hope I don't offend anyone and please excuse my ignorance in this but can someone explain something for me?

I have seen and understand Hy and Hym and so on lots but haven't seen ze before, is it gender based somehow? or where does the preferrence for it come from?

Again no disrepect at all intended just would like to understand where/how it is used.

Thanks a bunch

Raises hand!! I can answer...now that I read the book.lol. It is a gender neutral pronoun for butches who do not identify as male or female. But, in the English language, there aren't pronouns for anything other than male or female. Ze is a butch pronoun that works for some and feels more true to their insides.

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06-18-2010, 07:48 AM	#2
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EnderD_503 Member How Do You Identify?: Queer, trans guy, butch Preferred Pronoun?: Male pronouns Relationship Status: Relationship Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 1,329 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,090 Thanked 3,878 Times in 1,022 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	I've heard people talk about Butch Is A Noun before, but never got around to reading it. I'll have to pick it up once the TWB opens up again. Apparently Bear is also going to be at Proud Voices at Toronto Pride this year. I was initially invited elsewhere that day, but I think I'll go to Proud Voices instead. Reading through this thread, I think it'll be worth seeing Bear speak.

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06-18-2010, 08:47 AM	#8
tiggs Member How Do You Identify?: femme submissive Preferred Pronoun?: she Relationship Status: married and collared to Converse Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: canada Posts: 359 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,456 Thanked 726 Times in 248 Posts Rep Power: 2288329	I haven't read 'Butch is a noun' but from what everyone is saying I think I may have to pick up a copy! One book that truly touched me was Leslie Fienbergs 'Stone Butch Blues'. I had picked up a copy of the book because of someone I worked with at the time. This was before I had ID'd as femme or had a real understanding of what butch or femme even was. To say the least the book touched my heart. There were so many 'oh my gosh' and 'light bulb' moments when I read the book that I simply couldn't put it down. When I finally finished reading the book I cried and immediately went on the internet to Hys site just so that I could leave a little note to say how much the book had touched me. It wasn't long after reading the book that I found BF communities on-line and in doing so found myself. Thank gosh for 'ah ha' moments.

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