FTM's and Transitioning

Dylan · 06-22-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by little man

hey dylan

i was born in IL, also. to get my name changed on the bc, all i needed was the court order that made the change legal. unless something has changed recently, all that's required to get the gender marker changed is top surgery. i know it's different in other states, but the information i have is that top surgery is all that's required for IL.

so far as the DL goes, i got a new one when i changed my name. i waited a few days, then took it back in and pointed out that it said F and not M. they were more than happy to "fix" that for me. a little chutzpah goes a long way. and i'm sure you've got more than enough.

Yeah, IL used to be a top surgery state. They're in the process of changing things. According to a friend who's also born in IL and has been in the process of changing his birth certificate over the last four months, IL recently changed their policy with gender markers. He sent in his top surgery letter, and they came back with the statute and said he needs bottom surgery. Apparently, the law changed very recently. I was going to make a call (one day when I have time to sit on hold for a while).

Name change will be easy.

I've thought about doing the same thing with my DL, but Texas is funny. They keep all of your information in their computer, so when I go into DPS (which I have to a lot), all of my old info (name, etc) is still in there. The second to last time I was in there, they informed me that "someone else was using your social security number" (meaning, they couldn't understand why a person with a girl's name had my same social...meaning me and my birth name). It took them a minute to figure it out. So, I'm going to have to find some podunk DPS to go to...but what I'm afraid of is even in Podunk, it still comes through Austin.

But none of it has really even been an issue yet, so I figure I'll just wait until I need everything. It'll happen when it's the right time.

I Wonder If We Were Born Near Each Other,
Dylan...outside Chicago

P.S. here's a link that really talks about IL's other policy, but it makes mention (sort of/tactfully) of the lower surgery requirement

little man · 06-23-2010, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

I Wonder If We Were Born Near Each Other,
Dylan...outside Chicago

P.S. here's a link that really talks about IL's other policy, but it makes mention (sort of/tactfully) of the lower surgery requirement

i was born in jerseyville....sw IL. only about 300 miles.

thanks for the linkage. nice to know it'll take, what...another 75K on top of 10K for top surgery, just to get a fuckin' birth certificate? lovely. somehow, i don't think i'll live long enough or make enough cash for that kinda action.

Thinker · 06-23-2010, 09:34 AM

You know, I'm not even gonna worry about my birth certificate until I have to; I haven't even bothered to send in the name change for it. I was born in Texas and have no clue what kind of hoops I'll have to jump through to get the sex marker changed. So fuck it.....for now, anyway...

Just the other day I dropped off everything to get my current passport changed....sex marker included. I used the affidavit my GYN wrote when I went to get my license changed; it was a kick-ass document!! Thanks to Theo for sharing his template with me!

Anyway... My hope is that I will always be able to use my passport and not even have to worry about producing my birth certificate for anything from here on out. When we got married, all they required was my license.

I'm just not going to worry about it until I absolutely *have* to.

On a side note, the state of Nevada just recently adopted the form linked below for getting a gender marker change on your license. It makes the process simple and standard, and removes the "judgement call" onus from the DMV admin. Progress!

http://www.dmvnv.com/pdfforms/dld136.pdf

Dylan · 06-23-2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinker

You know, I'm not even gonna worry about my birth certificate until I have to; I haven't even bothered to send in the name change for it. I was born in Texas and have no clue what kind of hoops I'll have to jump through to get the sex marker changed. So fuck it.....for now, anyway...

Just the other day I dropped off everything to get my current passport changed....sex marker included. I used the affidavit my GYN wrote when I went to get my license changed; it was a kick-ass document!! Thanks to Theo for sharing his template with me!

Anyway... My hope is that I will always be able to use my passport and not even have to worry about producing my birth certificate for anything from here on out. When we got married, all they required was my license.

I'm just not going to worry about it until I absolutely *have* to.

On a side note, the state of Nevada just recently adopted the form linked below for getting a gender marker change on your license. It makes the process simple and standard, and removes the "judgement call" onus from the DMV admin. Progress!

http://www.dmvnv.com/pdfforms/dld136.pdf

Texas birth certificates are actually very easy. Just a surgeon's or doctor's letter stating 'irreversible measures' (whatever that means). Top surgeon's letter will suffice though, for sure.

I Find It Ironic That Texas Is So Simple Compared To The 'Liberal' Yankee State Of Illinois,
Dylan

Thinker · 06-23-2010, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Texas birth certificates are actually very easy. Just a surgeon's or doctor's letter stating 'irreversible measures' (whatever that means). Top surgeon's letter will suffice though, for sure.

I Find It Ironic That Texas Is So Simple Compared To The 'Liberal' Yankee State Of Illinois,
Dylan

No shit??? I thought people were having to hire lawyers and stand on their heads and all that jazz.

Nice.

Dylan · 06-23-2010, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinker

No shit??? I thought people were having to hire lawyers and stand on their heads and all that jazz.

Nice.

It's actually easier to have your bc changed in TX than it is to have your driver's license, because the rules are laid out in an actual statute whereas DL is completely up to a judge's discretion. Name changes can also be difficult here for same reason (judge's discretion).

Crazy,
Dylan

People have hired attorneys just for DL. The attorney fees are $800 for name and gender change. There was a bill brought up to the Texas house a few years ago that would have allowed transfolks to get both at same time, but it didn't pass.

Greyson · 06-23-2010, 01:53 PM

This post is a bit "tongue in cheek." Looks like the taxes may be a bit lower in Tejas but they are going to get into your wallet and personal choices just using other strategies.

I have oftened wondered why a queer would live voluntarily in Texas. I suspect if it is your home, it is your home and you have attachments there. But as a Queer Tourist, hmmmmmmm, except for Austin, "No."

Thinker · 07-12-2010, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinker

Just the other day I dropped off everything to get my current passport changed....sex marker included. I used the affidavit my GYN wrote when I went to get my license changed; it was a kick-ass document!! Thanks to Theo for sharing his template with me!

Just wanted to follow-up on this...

It took all of about 2 weeks and 2 days for me to receive my new passport!

Amazing.

T D · 07-15-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinker

Just wanted to follow-up on this...

It took all of about 2 weeks and 2 days for me to receive my new passport!

Amazing.

That's great, Thinker!!

I believe my voice is beginning to change a bit... woooo hoooo Finally

Linus · 07-15-2010, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by T D

That's great, Thinker!!

I believe my voice is beginning to change a bit... woooo hoooo Finally

Congrats! How long has it been since you started T?

Jet · 07-15-2010, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by T D

I believe my voice is beginning to change a bit... woooo hoooo Finally

how low can you go.....

mine is stating to change too.

T D · 07-15-2010, 08:54 AM

Thanks guys.

I started T at the beginning of June. It hasn't been very long at all, but I'm a happy camper

Dylan · 06-23-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by little man

i was born in jerseyville....sw IL. only about 300 miles.

thanks for the linkage. nice to know it'll take, what...another 75K on top of 10K for top surgery, just to get a fuckin' birth certificate? lovely. somehow, i don't think i'll live long enough or make enough cash for that kinda action.

Right????

The ACLU is on it though, so maybe it won't take too long.

IL changed their rules fairly recently. The law says, "Full reassignment surgery"...which is where the hang up is, because some people say 'full SRS' means top, bottom, and full hysto, and other people say something different. But hopefully states will soon follow the fed's example (passports). That would be nice.

Dylan...guess we're not neighbors

06-23-2010, 09:34 AM	#3
Thinker Senior Member How Do You Identify?: transman Preferred Pronoun?: male Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,868 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 710 Thanked 4,133 Times in 1,079 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	You know, I'm not even gonna worry about my birth certificate until I have to; I haven't even bothered to send in the name change for it. I was born in Texas and have no clue what kind of hoops I'll have to jump through to get the sex marker changed. So fuck it.....for now, anyway... Just the other day I dropped off everything to get my current passport changed....sex marker included. I used the affidavit my GYN wrote when I went to get my license changed; it was a kick-ass document!! Thanks to Theo for sharing his template with me! Anyway... My hope is that I will always be able to use my passport and not even have to worry about producing my birth certificate for anything from here on out. When we got married, all they required was my license. I'm just not going to worry about it until I absolutely have to. On a side note, the state of Nevada just recently adopted the form linked below for getting a gender marker change on your license. It makes the process simple and standard, and removes the "judgement call" onus from the DMV admin. Progress! http://www.dmvnv.com/pdfforms/dld136.pdf __________________ Practice humility and kindness.

06-23-2010, 01:53 PM	#7
Greyson Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Transmasculine/Non-Binary Preferred Pronoun?: Hy (Pronounced He) Relationship Status: Married Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,589 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 21,132 Thanked 8,146 Times in 2,005 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	This post is a bit "tongue in cheek." Looks like the taxes may be a bit lower in Tejas but they are going to get into your wallet and personal choices just using other strategies. I have oftened wondered why a queer would live voluntarily in Texas. I suspect if it is your home, it is your home and you have attachments there. But as a Queer Tourist, hmmmmmmm, except for Austin, "No." __________________ Sometimes you don't realize your own strength until you come face to face with your greatest weakness. - Susan Gale

07-15-2010, 08:54 AM	#12
T D Member How Do You Identify?: Person of the trans variety Preferred Pronoun?: He, Sir, Bro, TD, Stevin Relationship Status: On occasion Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 1,165 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,428 Thanked 1,125 Times in 311 Posts Rep Power: 3570339	Thanks guys. I started T at the beginning of June. It hasn't been very long at all, but I'm a happy camper __________________ “Don’t ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive.”