Doctor Treating Pregnant Women With Experimental Drug To Prevent Lesbianism

[EnderD_503]

I consider sexual orientation as a whole to be biological in origin. While the biological nature of sexuality may be a piece of the puzzle as far as what spawned this research to eliminate homosexual and bisexual tendencies, I can't see any scientific basis for such an elimination to occur.

Instead of saying that people shouldn't so insistantly claim homosexuality and bisexuality as biological, - which almost seems like a form of self-oppression for the sake of self-preservation - we should be questioning what scientific basis there is for such a "cleansing," if any? Personally I can't see one, and the desire of certain scientists to limit humanity to one sexuality solely for the purpose of procreation and "normality" seems like it is far more influenced by the remnants of monotheistic religious ideology than science itself.

Edit, speaking of dystopian fiction, has anyone else just got a Handmaid's Tale flashback?

[Medusa]

Im trying to find the research but this "Doctor" is apparently known for doing ridiculous experiments??

[chefhmboyrd]

wouldn't be more productive to find the gene that causes people to kill other people over stupid bullshit.
now that would improve our overall global community..
fuckwads......

[Heart]

Originally Posted by EnderD_503

I consider sexual orientation as a whole to be biological in origin. While the biological nature of sexuality may be a piece of the puzzle as far as what spawned this research to eliminate homosexual and bisexual tendencies, I can't see any scientific basis for such an elimination to occur.

Instead of saying that people shouldn't so insistantly claim homosexuality and bisexuality as biological, - which almost seems like a form of self-oppression for the sake of self-preservation - we should be questioning what scientific basis there is for such a "cleansing," if any? Personally I can't see one, and the desire of certain scientists to limit humanity to one sexuality solely for the purpose of procreation and "normality" seems like it is far more influenced by the remnants of monotheistic religious ideology than science itself.

Edit, speaking of dystopian fiction, has anyone else just got a Handmaid's Tale flashback?

Well, I'm in favor of self-preservation.

On another note -- what if there isn't a biological basis for same-sex orientation? What if it is a "choice?" What's evident is that neither option is going to "solve" homophobia or legitimize queer folks.

The liklihood is that orientation is some combination of biology and choice -- like most of human sexuality.

Heart

[xxfemmexx]

Wow.......... Thats all I can really say! Its not very often I end up speechless!

[Soft*Silver]

http://www.patient-safety.com/burt.htm

1966 to 1988...clitoral re-alignment so men would not have to perform foreplay. Done without permission of the women who went in for simpler surgeries.

"For 22 years in southwestern Ohio, Dr. James Burt, a gynecologist, not a licensed surgeon*, subjected thousands of women to bizarre, disfiguring operations involving clitoral circumcision and vaginal reshaping, which he called the Surgery of Love, sometimes performing the operation without their permission when they had been anesthetized for something else. He admitted in a book that he did it without their permission and yet was allowed to keep doing it for another 14 years after that admission."

all in the name of "fixing" women....

the last lobotomy to stop a woman from masturbating was done in the
1970's, btw...

[Soft*Silver]

CORRECTION: "In the U.S., the last documented clitoridotomy to reduce sexual activity occurred in 1958. The procedure was performed on a 5-year-old girl, reportedly to stop her from masturbating"

http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/fem...ent-forms.html

[LediskoLove99]

Ridiculous!

Oh boy this is going to turn out horribly. I can feel it.

[*Anya*]

If there is ever found to be a "gay gene", watch how fast the forced pregnancy folks (or as some call them: right-to-lifers) decide abortion is actually a sacrament and that they were wrong to try to get the abortion law overturned by the Supreme Court. Legislators in states with more restrictions will change them lickety-split.

It is a scary fucking world out there these days.

[Chinajewelry]

This is a female doctor? Wow... She's probably a Christian. You'd think that males would be doing this kind of ridiculous devolving, but no, even worse, a woman!

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by Chinajewelry

This is a female doctor? Wow... She's probably a Christian. You'd think that males would be doing this kind of ridiculous devolving, but no, even worse, a woman!

This is quite the statement. There are many Christians on this site that would not and do not condone this.

[imperfect_cupcake]

It's also two years ago and I'd like to see what's happened since.
I kept telling people if they were born that way or chose it was moot. I personally choose my sexuality. I *could* be with a bloke as it would not cause my vagina to explode or my head to split open. I had so-so sex with men. Meh. Sort of like a small black and white tv compared to 4o inch flat screen with surround sound, like it is with butches, but it was ok.

And it doesn't make my skin fall off and my sinuses to spontaneously combust to do phone sex and web work as a job while I study. 99% of the customers is men! though I do get a few women! and the odd butch (thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you those butches who feel it's ok to pay for phone or websex, you bring a relief to my day!! <3 )
But I choose to be with females. And I don't think my birth has any bloody rational reason for my choice. If it was really acceptable I wouldn't have to say "oh I'm sorry, I was born this way, I can't help being a nasty pervert"

Anyway blah blah. Riding my ranty pony tonight I see lol

[Medusa]

Originally Posted by EnderD_503

IEdit, speaking of dystopian fiction, has anyone else just got a Handmaid's Tale flashback?

YES. I can hear Atwood having a seizure right now and for some reason I want to burn anything resembling a red cape all of the sudden

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by EnderD_503

I consider sexual orientation as a whole to be biological in origin. While the biological nature of sexuality may be a piece of the puzzle as far as what spawned this research to eliminate homosexual and bisexual tendencies, I can't see any scientific basis for such an elimination to occur.

That's because there is absolutely no scientific justification for such an elimination. Homosexuality is almost certainly biological--I would be absolutely stunned if it were not because, just off the top of my head, I can think of two paths Nature might take to get there--and there is no reason to treat it as a pathology since it is not.

Instead of saying that people shouldn't so insistantly claim homosexuality and bisexuality as biological, - which almost seems like a form of self-oppression for the sake of self-preservation - we should be questioning what scientific basis there is for such a "cleansing," if any? Personally I can't see one, and the desire of certain scientists to limit humanity to one sexuality solely for the purpose of procreation and "normality" seems like it is far more influenced by the remnants of monotheistic religious ideology than science itself.

It is. Science can help us understand why homosexuality occurs (and it IS an interesting question) but it cannot tell us what our ethics around it should or could be. This woman's research is *entirely* motivated by religiosity with absolutely no basis, none what-so-ever, in any kind of scientific rigor.

Edit, speaking of dystopian fiction, has anyone else just got a Handmaid's Tale flashback?[/QUOTE]

I have been having Handmaid's Tale flashbacks for about two years now. Every time I see the Tea Party or hear conservatives Republicans going on about 'restoring America', I think that we are blithely cruising toward the world that Atwood described.

Cheers
Aj

[Soon]

The Anti-Lesbian Drug

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....Both cases—cutting a clitoris surgically, feminizing a brain through hormone treatments—reflect an almost desperate attempt by some doctors and scientists to keep their patients from straying from gender norms. It may all be well-intentioned, a reflection of the view that a nail that sticks up will be hammered down and so it is better to conform. What makes both the clitoral surgery and the prenatal steroids so cringe-inducing, however, is that they seems like throwbacks to the 1950s, not only culturally (when there was really only one way to be female, and it came with an apron and kids) but scientifically (when anatomy and biochemistry were destiny). If the hue and cry over what Dreger has uncovered shows anything, it is that although many of us thought the modern, scientific west had moved beyond those views, many in the medical and scientific community have not.

[lipstixgal]

Scary and terrifying!! to say the least!