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Old 07-24-2010, 08:11 AM   #1
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oops! too late to edit my previous post.

Of course the Old Covenant/Testament of the Christian Bible is based on the Hebrew Bible and therefore stands on it's own in Judaism. Laura Schlesinger is coming from an Orthodox Jewish position so of course wouldn't be quoting the New Covenant/Testament. Just to clarify that I wasn't being "bugged" by Judaism.

I do love Prof. Kauffman's response.
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It does seem ironic that Evangelicals who claim to believe that the New Testament "was sent" as a new Covenant with Jesus and superceeds Old Testament, use the Old Testament as an excuse for bad, bigoted and homophobic behavior....to mention just a few things.

It makes ZERO logical sense.

Like how can you love your neighbor as yourself and turn the other cheek andf also believe in an eye for an eye.

Or be against abortion no matter what and FOR the death penalty. Zero logic.

My father said I was an abomination back when I was 21, it sounds funny to say, but if I really think about it, it seems pretty heavy and maybe a drop strong.

What about "thou shalt not judge"? calling someone an abomination seems pretty judgemental to me.
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It does seem ironic that Evangelicals who claim to believe that the New Testament "was sent" as a new Covenant with Jesus and superceeds Old Testament, use the Old Testament as an excuse for bad, bigoted and homophobic behavior....to mention just a few things.

It makes ZERO logical sense.

Like how can you love your neighbor as yourself and turn the other cheek andf also believe in an eye for an eye.

Or be against abortion no matter what and FOR the death penalty. Zero logic.

My father said I was an abomination back when I was 21, it sounds funny to say, but if I really think about it, it seems pretty heavy and maybe a drop strong.

What about "thou shalt not judge"? calling someone an abomination seems pretty judgemental to me.
I have always been very careful NOT to use the Old Testament/Covenant in any theological debates - on those very rare occasions I put my head above the theological parapet. Although sadly my church managed such hypocrisy and used that Leviticus quote when it decided I couldn't lead a music group because despite living celibately I did live with a woman and therefore was "giving the impression of sin!". It irritates me immensely, for as you say, there is no logic at all in believing the New Covenant supecedes the old one and then using the old one to justify your actions.
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I have always been very careful NOT to use the Old Testament/Covenant in any theological debates - on those very rare occasions I put my head above the theological parapet. Although sadly my church managed such hypocrisy and used that Leviticus quote when it decided I couldn't lead a music group because despite living celibately I did live with a woman and therefore was "giving the impression of sin!". It irritates me immensely, for as you say, there is no logic at all in believing the New Covenant supecedes the old one and then using the old one to justify your actions.
We were told in Sunday School not to even sip water at parties so we would not give the impression we were "drinking".
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Current teaching among many liberation theologians (including many feminists ... see Luise schottrof, for example) is that using "Old" and "New" is antiJudaistic, and the preferred terms are Hebrew and Greek Bible, or First and Second Testament.
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Current teaching among many liberation theologians (including many feminists ... see Luise schottrof, for example) is that using "Old" and "New" is antiJudaistic, and the preferred terms are Hebrew and Greek Bible, or First and Second Testament.
It has been a long time since I have hung out at church . but I can see your point! Thank you.

I may have to go with First and Second Testament, since the Testaments were not all originally written in Hebrew and Greek...and I strive for logic...not that I usually find it. Grin.
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I love the comment in this article about biblical ignorance being an epidemic in the US...

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It has been a long time since I have hung out at church . but I can see your point! Thank you.

I may have to go with First and Second Testament, since the Testaments were not all originally written in Hebrew and Greek...and I strive for logic...not that I usually find it. Grin.
Please explain the statement about languages. Thanks.
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