Poll: Should owners of dogs that kill people be prosecuted for murder?

Rockinonahigh · 07-25-2010, 10:47 AM

Apocoliptic..Yeah sad about the pups cause I know if they are well cared for by responsable owners they would be ok.Hear dog fighting is outlawed but still is going on in deep dark corners,recently the city has put in a law about pit bulls and chows in residential areas being proberly contained and handled by the owner but im not hearing much about inforcememt.
Ya know I once beleaved that all animals were born with a clean slate and were taught to be mean...I have changed my mind greatly over the years.I know there is such a thing as inherited insanity in varing degrees as well as agressiveness.When I got fully involved in horse breeding I saw this many times in new born foals and thrue out the lives of many it was the same so these horses were hard to handle...those were the ones that had appointmenats with the vet to get gelded asap wich often helped some grew out of it most didnt..then I got into raiseing dogs...oh holy godess the inbreeding I found was out of this world.One dog had a litter of 8 pups one of them I swear was born growling and snarling,momma was ok the other pups were ok..but this one was as nasty minded as any thing I ever saw,as a pup after he got old enough to be able to boss the other pups around he did with a vengence..I weand him early,had him nutered ,did all i could to change his state of mind...nothing worked so finaly at four months old I had him put down.No I didnt like doin this but I felt it was a safty call cause all I could see was trouble becomeing worse as he got older.Crazy thing was I got offered so much money for him it was unreal by ppl who thought it was cute..

AtLast · 07-26-2010, 11:38 PM

How many of you are protective of your dog in terms of other people? Although my little guy has never displayed any behavior that he would bite, I am really cautious about things like kids petting him. I always get down next to him and hold his head for the kid to pet him. Also, he wiggles a lot, but I don't want him to jump on anyone (even if he is only 24 pounds) or do a dog smooch and have a kid move and a tooth (he's a bulldog- they stick out) land anywhere the wrong way.

I just don't want any problems. I know some of this is related to not wanting some dumb accidental thing to send a parent into a freak-out, even if they said it was OK for their kid to pet him. LOL, actually, I trust my dog more than people I don't know in terms of this!

Looks like criminal charges are being brought against the owner of one of the dogs here involved in the recent 2 dog maulings. I don't have all the facts yet.. will post when I do. One child was killed and another mauled in the face. Horrible.

Rockinonahigh · 07-27-2010, 12:53 AM

My jack russel poodle mix is very protective of me,when ppl come hear she dosent know she barks at them a lot untill she gets use to them..then she is just fine but it takes a couple of time meeting them for her to get over this.Rowdy has never even thought of hurting anyone but I am very carefull with ppl she dosent know.Beleave me when I say NO she shuts it down or quits..I also I keep her close to me as well when ppl come over she dosent know..I also tell them how she will be when they come over.My pug Diva just loves everyone and wants to play or get scratched on her back.

AtLast · 08-05-2010, 03:53 PM

And now a discussion on the other side of the coin!
Comment away!!!!
http://www.wbaltv.com/r/24513015/detail.html
Probe Continues After Dog Fatally Shot At Park

Federal Officer Accused Of Fatally Shooting, Killing Siberian Husky

POSTED: 2:09 pm EDT August 4, 2010
UPDATED: 9:33 am EDT August 5, 2010

Anne Arundel County's executive has asked for a "thorough and complete investigation" after police said an off-duty federal officer shot and killed a Siberian husky at a dog park.

The federal officer, whose name hasn't been released, told Anne Arundel County investigators that he and his wife were at the park with a leashed German shepherd on Monday at 6:30 p.m. at the Quail Run Community Dog Park in Severn.

At some point, the unleashed husky named Bear-Bear came over to the German shepherd to play.

"They were roughhousing, wrestling, (doing) what dogs usually do," said Ryan Kurinij, a family member related to Bear-Bear.

The officer told Anne Arundel County police that he tried to get Bear-Bear off of his dog and that the husky tried to bite him.

According to a statement from Anne Arundel County police, "The off-duty officer stated that he feared for the safety of himself, his wife and their dog and subsequently shot the husky with a handgun he had in his possession."

Rachel Rettaliata
Bear-Bear's owner, Rachel Rettaliata, sent photos to WBAL-TV. | View More Photos

"I was shocked because he took out his weapon, took two steps back and fired," Kurinij said.

The dog was taken to Anne Arundel Veterinary Emergency Clinic in Annapolis, where he died.

"I find it so hard to believe that this man really felt his life was in danger when he had so many other avenues to break up what was just a dog tussle," said Rachel Rettaliata, Bear-Bear's owner.

"You've just taken away something that we can never get back," said Ryan Rettaliata, Bear-Bear's owner.

Neighbors who know Bear-Bear said the dog was not mean or aggressive, and they are upset about the shooting.

"Honestly, I just think it was a guy with a gun who thought he had the power, and he just did a really stupid thing. Stupid," said Tarnna Hernandez, a neighbor.

Late Wednesday afternoon, Anne Arundel County Executive John Leopold and the county's police chief said the investigation continues.

"I want this case investigated thoroughly to find out all the facts of this case to determine exactly what happened, and if charges are warranted, and if they are warranted, we're going to prosecute to the full extent of the law," Leopold said.

Leopold added, "I have great concern regarding the shooting incident (Monday) night at the Quail Run dog park. It is concerning whenever a firearm is discharged at a public facility, let alone a facility that close to homes and children playing. All aspects of this incident merit a thorough and complete investigation.

ALSO ON WBALTV.com

"We have wonderful resources for dog owners in Anne Arundel County. I want to ensure our citizens that these facilities are a safe and enjoyable place to let your dog exercise."

Police said the man who shot the dog is a Department of Defense employee.

No charges were immediately filed.

Anne Arundel County police declined to identify the federal officer on Wednesday.

Maryann Hodges, a spokeswoman for Fort Myer in Arlington, Va., released a statement, saying, "Anne Arundel County police is handling the investigation. The individual (involved) has been cleared of all charges through Anne Arundel County. He was off-duty on annual leave. He will report to work tomorrow (Thursday)."

View Poll Results: Murder should be one of the available charges for dog owners that own dogs that kill a person.
Yes, dog owners should be prosecuted on murder charges.	16	31.37%
No, dog owners should not be prosecuted on murder charges.	6	11.76%
The highest level of criminal charges should be manslaughter.	17	33.33%
Other. Post comments.	12	23.53%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

07-26-2010, 11:38 PM	#2
AtLast Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Woman Preferred Pronoun?: HER - SHE Relationship Status: Relating Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CA & AZ I'm a Snowbird Posts: 5,408 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,826 Thanked 10,827 Times in 3,199 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	An aside... How many of you are protective of your dog in terms of other people? Although my little guy has never displayed any behavior that he would bite, I am really cautious about things like kids petting him. I always get down next to him and hold his head for the kid to pet him. Also, he wiggles a lot, but I don't want him to jump on anyone (even if he is only 24 pounds) or do a dog smooch and have a kid move and a tooth (he's a bulldog- they stick out) land anywhere the wrong way. I just don't want any problems. I know some of this is related to not wanting some dumb accidental thing to send a parent into a freak-out, even if they said it was OK for their kid to pet him. LOL, actually, I trust my dog more than people I don't know in terms of this! Looks like criminal charges are being brought against the owner of one of the dogs here involved in the recent 2 dog maulings. I don't have all the facts yet.. will post when I do. One child was killed and another mauled in the face. Horrible.

07-25-2010, 10:47 AM	#1
Rockinonahigh Senior Member How Do You Identify?: stone butch Preferred Pronoun?: makes no diffrence,I know who I am. Relationship Status: single,maybe looking if the right person comes along. Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 4,907 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,682 Thanked 14,933 Times in 3,938 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	Apocoliptic..Yeah sad about the pups cause I know if they are well cared for by responsable owners they would be ok.Hear dog fighting is outlawed but still is going on in deep dark corners,recently the city has put in a law about pit bulls and chows in residential areas being proberly contained and handled by the owner but im not hearing much about inforcememt. Ya know I once beleaved that all animals were born with a clean slate and were taught to be mean...I have changed my mind greatly over the years.I know there is such a thing as inherited insanity in varing degrees as well as agressiveness.When I got fully involved in horse breeding I saw this many times in new born foals and thrue out the lives of many it was the same so these horses were hard to handle...those were the ones that had appointmenats with the vet to get gelded asap wich often helped some grew out of it most didnt..then I got into raiseing dogs...oh holy godess the inbreeding I found was out of this world.One dog had a litter of 8 pups one of them I swear was born growling and snarling,momma was ok the other pups were ok..but this one was as nasty minded as any thing I ever saw,as a pup after he got old enough to be able to boss the other pups around he did with a vengence..I weand him early,had him nutered ,did all i could to change his state of mind...nothing worked so finaly at four months old I had him put down.No I didnt like doin this but I felt it was a safty call cause all I could see was trouble becomeing worse as he got older.Crazy thing was I got offered so much money for him it was unreal by ppl who thought it was cute..

07-27-2010, 12:53 AM	#3
Rockinonahigh Senior Member How Do You Identify?: stone butch Preferred Pronoun?: makes no diffrence,I know who I am. Relationship Status: single,maybe looking if the right person comes along. Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 4,907 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,682 Thanked 14,933 Times in 3,938 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	My jack russel poodle mix is very protective of me,when ppl come hear she dosent know she barks at them a lot untill she gets use to them..then she is just fine but it takes a couple of time meeting them for her to get over this.Rowdy has never even thought of hurting anyone but I am very carefull with ppl she dosent know.Beleave me when I say NO she shuts it down or quits..I also I keep her close to me as well when ppl come over she dosent know..I also tell them how she will be when they come over.My pug Diva just loves everyone and wants to play or get scratched on her back.

08-05-2010, 03:53 PM	#4
AtLast Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Woman Preferred Pronoun?: HER - SHE Relationship Status: Relating Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CA & AZ I'm a Snowbird Posts: 5,408 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,826 Thanked 10,827 Times in 3,199 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	And now a discussion on the other side of the coin! Comment away!!!! http://www.wbaltv.com/r/24513015/detail.html Probe Continues After Dog Fatally Shot At Park Federal Officer Accused Of Fatally Shooting, Killing Siberian Husky POSTED: 2:09 pm EDT August 4, 2010 UPDATED: 9:33 am EDT August 5, 2010 Anne Arundel County's executive has asked for a "thorough and complete investigation" after police said an off-duty federal officer shot and killed a Siberian husky at a dog park. The federal officer, whose name hasn't been released, told Anne Arundel County investigators that he and his wife were at the park with a leashed German shepherd on Monday at 6:30 p.m. at the Quail Run Community Dog Park in Severn. At some point, the unleashed husky named Bear-Bear came over to the German shepherd to play. "They were roughhousing, wrestling, (doing) what dogs usually do," said Ryan Kurinij, a family member related to Bear-Bear. The officer told Anne Arundel County police that he tried to get Bear-Bear off of his dog and that the husky tried to bite him. According to a statement from Anne Arundel County police, "The off-duty officer stated that he feared for the safety of himself, his wife and their dog and subsequently shot the husky with a handgun he had in his possession." Rachel Rettaliata Bear-Bear's owner, Rachel Rettaliata, sent photos to WBAL-TV. \| View More Photos "I was shocked because he took out his weapon, took two steps back and fired," Kurinij said. The dog was taken to Anne Arundel Veterinary Emergency Clinic in Annapolis, where he died. "I find it so hard to believe that this man really felt his life was in danger when he had so many other avenues to break up what was just a dog tussle," said Rachel Rettaliata, Bear-Bear's owner. "You've just taken away something that we can never get back," said Ryan Rettaliata, Bear-Bear's owner. Neighbors who know Bear-Bear said the dog was not mean or aggressive, and they are upset about the shooting. "Honestly, I just think it was a guy with a gun who thought he had the power, and he just did a really stupid thing. Stupid," said Tarnna Hernandez, a neighbor. Late Wednesday afternoon, Anne Arundel County Executive John Leopold and the county's police chief said the investigation continues. "I want this case investigated thoroughly to find out all the facts of this case to determine exactly what happened, and if charges are warranted, and if they are warranted, we're going to prosecute to the full extent of the law," Leopold said. Leopold added, "I have great concern regarding the shooting incident (Monday) night at the Quail Run dog park. It is concerning whenever a firearm is discharged at a public facility, let alone a facility that close to homes and children playing. All aspects of this incident merit a thorough and complete investigation. ALSO ON WBALTV.com "We have wonderful resources for dog owners in Anne Arundel County. I want to ensure our citizens that these facilities are a safe and enjoyable place to let your dog exercise." Police said the man who shot the dog is a Department of Defense employee. No charges were immediately filed. Anne Arundel County police declined to identify the federal officer on Wednesday. Maryann Hodges, a spokeswoman for Fort Myer in Arlington, Va., released a statement, saying, "Anne Arundel County police is handling the investigation. The individual (involved) has been cleared of all charges through Anne Arundel County. He was off-duty on annual leave. He will report to work tomorrow (Thursday)."