Lesbian Cougar Video--funny or not?

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Organicbutch

I thought Alice's character from the L Word was a pretty positive portrayal. But I totally get what you're saying.

Not too bad, but, bi-trashing is rampant, I think. I was totally amazed at a thread on the dist site about bisexuality and the bigoted stance against bisexual people in it. Practically every misconception, myth and just plain garbage was thrown out in it from our very own community. Disturbing, to say the least. Why anyone's sexuality within this community is open to negative criticism and value judgements is beyond me.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

Not too bad, but, bi-trashing is rampant, I think. I was totally amazed at a thread on the dist site about bisexuality and the bigoted stance against bisexual people in it. Practically every misconception, myth and just plain garbage was thrown out in it from our very own community. Disturbing, to say the least. Why anyone's sexuality within this community is open to negative criticism and value judgements is beyond me.

Lord forbid you are a guy, or butch who likes penetration, ever watch the crucifixion on that matter?

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Lord forbid you are a guy, or butch who likes penetration, ever watch the crucifixion on that matter?

[COLOR="Black"]Oh, yeah!!! Seen it, had it directed at me... more than once! Some of the most disturbing BS about one's sexuality has been from the B-F community as far as I'm concerned. Frankly, I never ran into such bigotry in these areas until I did get involved with the B-F dynamic. Hell of a trade-off just to find one's comfort zone in terms of relationships! But, I have found my home... just have to do a lot of filtering![/COLOR]

[imperfect_cupcake]

rape isn't funny. I didn't see this as promoting rape. I saw it as satirising the morons who take advantage of drunk women, as they are pathetic idiots. I saw it as satirising - poorly - the whole aspect of it.

not promoting rape. jesus. that wouldn't really be satire then, though, would it.

again - it's poorly done and kinda lame. But I still think people are missing the satire aspect of it and just going straight to "WHAT raping people is supposed to be funny!!!???" um. no. it wouldn't be satire if that's what they were saying.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by honeybarbara

rape isn't funny. I didn't see this as promoting rape. I saw it as satirising the morons who take advantage of drunk women, as they are pathetic idiots. I saw it as satirising - poorly - the whole aspect of it.

not promoting rape. jesus. that wouldn't really be satire then, though, would it.

again - it's poorly done and kinda lame. But I still think people are missing the satire aspect of it and just going straight to "WHAT raping people is supposed to be funny!!!???" um. no. it wouldn't be satire if that's what they were saying.

I am all about a good laugh to HB, and we all have different opinions and funny bones, I too can't find the comedic value of this video that is showing *lesbians* cooing and rubbing on a drunk girl.

It feels oogie, it feels gross and it's unfortunately what does happen to girls when they do get fucked up, men and women regardless of sexual orientation take advantage of girls when in this state.

Why they chose to use that for sattire makes no sense to me, then again I am an odd duck.

I don't think we are gonna agree that for some it's funny for some it's just gross.

We all have different lenses on when it comes to this particular comedic route. This is coming from someone who does not think that Chelsea (some woman with a talk show) is funny AT ALL when she picks on the lil mexican guy named Chuy. I get it's ha ha funny for folks to watch the white girl fuck with the mexican guy like he is some fucking monkey, but me I just don't.

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

[COLOR="Black"]Frankly, I never ran into such bigotry in these areas until I did get involved with the B-F dynamic. Hell of a trade-off just to find one's comfort zone in terms of relationships! But, I have found my home... just have to do a lot of filtering![/COLOR]

I dunno. I've heard some superscarycrazybullshit from outside of this community. Christ, when I first came out I accidentally ran with a crowd who believed that ALL penetration was rape. All of it. Eeeeeeven digital.

Policing other people's sexual activities isn't even a Queer specific behaviour. Hets do it too, that's for sure. They might even do it more. Try being a straight man and admitting to your friends that you like your girlfriend to stick her finger in your ass - hell try being a straight man and admitting it to your girlfriend! Holy moses, the world might blow up. "Oh no man, that's exit only."

The sex police need to back the hell off, that's for sure. Just because -they- aren't having any fun in bed doesn't mean they get to stop the rest of us.

[BullDog]

HB, you think it's satirizing morons who take advantage of drunk girls, Ender thought it was satirizing lesbian stereotypes. The more I think about it the more I think it actually really wasn't much of an attempt at satire, but who knows for sure. I think it was no more than some gay men trying to make a funny ha ha- lesbians gone wild- ha ha ha ha.

Their tag line for the video is: Hide your daughters, because Cougar Lesbians are on the prowl!

One of the Facebook comments pretty much sums it up for me: "Not funny. Just mid-life male date rape personas badly written as lesbians. Total fail."

YouTube has over 20,000 views of the video. No one is discussing it as satire. There are a few who object to the view for similar reasons discussed here. The rest our nasty, nasty misogynist, homophobic and lesbophobic comments made by morons. The video makers may have their nice little sophisticated set of followers who get their oh so sophisticated satire, but that's not the biggest group of people who will see their videos. No one on YouTube is talking about Jonathan Swift or Voltaire.

[imperfect_cupcake]

Originally Posted by BullDog

HB, you think it's satirizing morons who take advantage of drunk girls, Ender thought it was satirizing lesbian stereotypes. The more I think about it the more I think it actually really wasn't much of an attempt at satire, but who knows for sure. I think it was no more than some gay men trying to make a funny ha ha- lesbians gone wild- ha ha ha ha.

Their tag line for the video is: Hide your daughters, because Cougar Lesbians are on the prowl!

One of the Facebook comments pretty much sums it up for me: "Not funny. Just mid-life male date rape personas badly written as lesbians. Total fail."

YouTube has over 20,000 views of the video. No one is discussing it as satire. There are a few who object to the view for similar reasons discussed here. The rest our nasty, nasty misogynist, homophobic and lesbophobic comments made by morons. The video makers may have their nice little sophisticated set of followers who get their oh so sophisticated satire, but that's not the biggest group of people who will see their videos. No one on YouTube is talking about Jonathan Swift or Voltaire.

well, I think there's a lot of intensely stupid people out there and a lot of people who are willing to take any excuse to promote their own agenda.

to be totally honest, I think the clip I put on this thread will have some but fuck morons thinking "yeah! ha ha! it's funny to abuse pregnant women! yeee haw!"

I'm going to say it again - it was crappy satire. Poorly written. And I do have straight male friends who do say things like "lesbian cougars gone wild, baby!" but they also joke around saying stuff like "I'll pay you £50 to kick me in the nuts right now, my uber dumpling."
they even joke around about me raping them in wiccan ceremonies when I was much younger (the joke being rather complex and needing to know why they are teasing me and my past).
They *do* mean it ironically.

You may have a point that these film makers weren't satirising but I dunno. If may be a case of "Nuts." When "Nuts" magazine for men first came out, it was dones with a heavy sense of irony and taking the piss out of themselves. gradually that sense of irony and satire slowly changed into support for stupid male behaviours (and by that I mean college anus rings for brains. I remember what moronics the young men were like first year of uni. I mean that level).

second city used to be something that had a lot of politically based stuff in it when I was an older teen, late 80's. It may have degraded into complete crap.

however, I *personally* do not find some things taboo when it comes to satire. actual satire. And frankly if someone put the smooth moves on a drunk girl and she puked on them, I'd piss myself laughing. Even in real life. I'd then help her up and take her to the bathroom and get her a cab home.

I'm not saying people must find it funny - like I said, I didn't find it funny cause it was shoddy writing. But I wasn't offended in the slightest either. I just thought they needed better comic writers if that's the best they could come up with.

I'm not going to read the comments. everytime there is a piece of writing about anything homosexual or women orientated in the newspaper, the fuckwit brigade comes out and uses it as fodder for fire either for or against what they want. I have no interest in what they want or say. as soon as the event passes, they crawl back under their rocks. But then I don't have to deal with homophobic fuckwits on a daily or even weekly basis so I tend to choose to ignore them and just keep being exactly who I am and working towards a good life and a good community.

Apocoliptic - that was very far from british humour. it wasn't even slightly wry. But yes, it was cr@p.

tangent - when I was about 28, I used to go to "fabulous and 40" (40+) lesbo night. looking for "Chicken Hawks" - now known as cougars. Chicken Hawks, however was a strictly lesbian term. And my friends and I *hoped* for them! So I don't exactly see cougar/chicken hawk as a derogatory term. Hell, I've slept with young butches since I've been in London. And got the piss taken out of me for it in the same manner.

what they did, no. not funny and badly written. But not offended either.

If people don't think it was satire, then that's their take. I understand why they would be angry then - and I don't really have an argument with that at all, actually. My only bugbear was that people were taking it literally AND calling it satire. It irritated me. It can't be both by definition.

pedantic of me. completely. but that was my only issue. past that, I don't care enough to argue against anyone here about that poorly written piece of mediocre blah.

<----- pendant gadfly, obviously.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by betenoire

I dunno. I've heard some superscarycrazybullshit from outside of this community. Christ, when I first came out I accidentally ran with a crowd who believed that ALL penetration was rape. All of it. Eeeeeeven digital.

Policing other people's sexual activities isn't even a Queer specific behaviour. Hets do it too, that's for sure. They might even do it more. Try being a straight man and admitting to your friends that you like your girlfriend to stick her finger in your ass - hell try being a straight man and admitting it to your girlfriend! Holy moses, the world might blow up. "Oh no man, that's exit only."

The sex police need to back the hell off, that's for sure. Just because -they- aren't having any fun in bed doesn't mean they get to stop the rest of us.

Of course this happens outside of this community! I was speaking to what my personal experience has been. Mine, not others. Most likely this is due to the specific groups, populations, class (which is not middle-class), level of education, era of time, professional careers, regions I have lived in, access to education, privilege, my color and most certainly as a woman, my cultural background and just who I have been involved with.

I spent many years as a heterosexual woman, some as bi, a few as poly, been with bi partners, been widowed, been in 27 years of monogamy in the midst, now single...

Jeep Sakes! I have truely witnessed and experienced more BS bigotry around sexuality and gender identity (as a FIB) in this community than at any other time in my life as part of other communities and populations. And I hope I am part of the solution to combat this kind of stuff. That is the goal.

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

Not too bad, but, bi-trashing is rampant, I think. I was totally amazed at a thread on the dist site about bisexuality and the bigoted stance against bisexual people in it. Practically every misconception, myth and just plain garbage was thrown out in it from our very own community. Disturbing, to say the least. Why anyone's sexuality within this community is open to negative criticism and value judgements is beyond me.

Wow, this really surprised you? In my experience it is the female same-sex population that are the most discriminatory towards bisexual people (I'm not sure about the B-F community specifically, but I would suggest that the majority of people on the dash site define as female).

Heterosexuals are much more accepting, I think, with gay males behind them.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by DapperButch

Wow, this really surprised you? In my experience it is the female same-sex population that are the most discriminatory towards bisexual people (I'm not sure about the B-F community specifically, but I would suggest that the majority of people on the dash site define as female).

Heterosexuals are much more accepting, I think, with gay males behind them.

Yeah, it did. Maybe it has to do with locations (probably many variables) I have lived in. Dunno. But have really seen differences post B-F affiliation (both in real-time and on-line).