Same-Sex Marriage Update

Soon · 08-05-2010, 08:24 AM

According to the Windy City Times, during the 1996 race for the Illinois State Senate, President-Elect Barack Obama gave statements that expressed an "unequivocal support for gay marriage."

From the WCT's press release:

President-elect Obama's answer to a 1996 Outlines newspaper question on marriage was: "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages." There was no use of the phrase "civil unions". [Outlines purchased Windy City Times in 2000 and merged companies.]

This answer is among those included in this week's Windy City Times feature on Obama's evolving position on gay marriage. Windy City Times also includes his answers to the candidate questionnaire of IMPACT, at one time a gay political action committee in Illinois. In that survey he also stated his support of same-sex marriage.

During the final weeks of the presidential campaign last fall, several media outlets contacted Windy City Times because of an old internet story from the 1996 Illinois state Senate race. In that campaign, Outlines newspaper reported that 13th District candidate Barack Obama supported gay marriage. Reporters wanted to know what exactly Obama had said.

Outlines summarized the results in that 1996 article by Trudy Ring, but did not list exact answers to questions. In that article Outlines did note that Obama was a supporter of same-sex marriage and that article was never challenged or corrected by Obama. Just recently, the original Outlines and IMPACT surveys were found in the newspaper's archives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_157656.html

Manul · 08-05-2010, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

At one time, as Senator, Obama did explicitly support marriage equality but then flipped his position to only supporting civil unions.

I'll go see if I can find the quote.

ETA (correction): It was in his race for Senator that he voiced his support for same sex marriage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

According to the Windy City Times, during the 1996 race for the Illinois State Senate, President-Elect Barack Obama gave statements that expressed an "unequivocal support for gay marriage."

And this morning on MSNBC, David Axelrod reiterated the President's support for separate but equal civil unions and not equal marriage.

I'd like to ask the President to support the US Constitution which includes the 14th amendment. His religious beliefs do not trump my consitutional rights.

Soon · 08-05-2010, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manul

And this morning on MSNBC, David Axelrod reiterated the President's support for separate but equal civil unions and not equal marriage.

I'd like to ask the President to support the US Consitution which includes the 14th amendment. His religious beliefs do not trump my consitutional rights.

Oh I know what his unfortunate opinion is now, but I think some don't know that he, at one point, supported full marriage equality.

I think it's important for us to know that as early as 1996 he publicly stated his support.

However, it is a sad change of publicly stated opinion. (but necessary for Presidential election win perhaps).

Also, wasn't too impressed with the President's rather tepid comments yesterday regarding the Prop 8 decision.

As for your last comment, yes, as former scholar of Constitutional Law, you think he would make publicly make the connection b/w our rights and that document.

Manul · 08-05-2010, 08:47 AM

RE: Opinions Requested--Could this Repeal Actually Happen?

Amending the Constitution is no easy feat, I remember ERA too well.

Republicans and conservatives will have to tread lightly on that issue as opposed to their emotional outcry about the "illegal immigration problem."

But I do think we need to keep an eye on them...as usual.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

Oh I know what his unfortunate opinion is now, but I think some don't know that he, at one point, supported full marriage equality.

I think it's important for us to know that as early as 1996 he publicly stated his support.

However, it is a sad change of publicly stated opinion. (but necessary for Presidential election win perhaps).

Also, wasn't too impressed with the President's rather tepid comments yesterday regarding the Prop 8 decision.

As for your last comment, yes, as former scholar of Constitutional Law, you think he would make publicly make the connection b/w our rights and that document.

I'm waiting for the excuse that he has a full plate, too busy with other important matters to be burdened for his full support for equal rights for ALL Americans.

naturlover_52 · 08-05-2010, 09:15 AM

Yes I believe that it is a shame that our president Obama has not supported our full support, BUT look at it this way....Clinton was the one that Started DOMA and Don't ask Don't Tell.
Sooo I feel that the flip by Obama is shame, BUT not IF but possibly When this goes to the US Supreme Court then it will HAVE to be supported by ALL parties, BOTH Republican and Democrat and Tea Party....YES I know they aren't there own party....BUT they are the conservative Fringe of the Republicans.

betenoire · 08-05-2010, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

Fluff post: Did that one guy toward the end of the video compliment the cop on his boots? I think he did! It made me squee with delight.

I love getting delighted.

Soon · 08-05-2010, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naturlover_52

Yes I believe that it is a shame that our president Obama has not supported our full support, BUT look at it this way....Clinton was the one that Started DOMA and Don't ask Don't Tell.
Sooo I feel that the flip by Obama is shame, BUT not IF but possibly When this goes to the US Supreme Court then it will HAVE to be supported by ALL parties, BOTH Republican and Democrat and Tea Party....YES I know they aren't there own party....BUT they are the conservative Fringe of the Republicans.

A Republican (Bob Barr--Georgia) authored DOMA and it was passed in the Republican controlled Congress (majority of both sides did support it). Clinton was the one who signed it.

From what I understand, it was a (sad) compromise for Clinton--it was either DOMA or a Constitutional Amendment redefining marriage as b/w a man and a woman that would probably would have passed.

SuperFemme · 08-05-2010, 10:27 AM

Our family at the end of THIS video, our kid Anita was absolutely eloquent. Me in the wheelchair? So sexy.

Cyclopea · 08-05-2010, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

A Republican (Bob Barr--Georgia) authored DOMA and it was passed in the Republican controlled Congress (majority of both sides did support it). Clinton was the one who signed it.

From what I understand, it was a (sad) compromise for Clinton--it was either DOMA or a Constitutional Amendment redefining marriage as b/w a man and a woman that would probably would have passed.

That is a very good point to remember, especially for me who likes to remember Clinton as a traitor and a sell-out to the cause...

The haters sure do like changing the constitution, don't they?

I have two bumper stickers on my car- one of which has been on there for about 20 years and the other is from the original Mass Equity campaign and states "No Discrimination In The Constitution". A hard concept for some to grasp...

Soon · 08-05-2010, 08:34 AM

I found this poster's comment on HuffPo and wanted to know what you think:

DCmykl 4 hours ago (6:36 AM)

Here's something to consider. Remember laughing when you heard about the Republicans wanting to repeal the 14th Amendment? Immigration, Gay marriage, womens' reproductive rights, and more all intersect at the 14th Ammendment.

The attack on the 14th Ammendment has nothing to do with immigration. That's a smoke screen designed to keep attention off the real agenda.

Section 1. of the 14th Amendment contains among other things this language: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

This includes what are commonly known as the "due process" and "equal protection" clauses of the Constitution. These are FUNDAMENTALS.

My suspicion is the Republicans are more interested in getting rid of the "due process" and "Equal Protection" clauses than "anchor babies," and hope to do so while the public is distracted by the illegal immigration issue.

By getting rid of these cornerstones of civil rights they eliminate Roe v. Wade, Gay Marriage and everything else they hate. In the past three days 90 of the 198 Republicans in the House – 45-percent – have signed on as co-sponsors of a bill to repeal the 14th Amendment. This is not something to be taken lightly. We need to prepare for a major fight.

08-05-2010, 08:34 AM	#10
Soon Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: femme Relationship Status: attached Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: . Posts: 6,896 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 29,046 Thanked 13,094 Times in 3,386 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	Opinions Requested--Could this Repeal Actually Happen? I found this poster's comment on HuffPo and wanted to know what you think: DCmykl 4 hours ago (6:36 AM) Here's something to consider. Remember laughing when you heard about the Republicans wanting to repeal the 14th Amendment? Immigration, Gay marriage, womens' reproductive rights, and more all intersect at the 14th Ammendment. The attack on the 14th Ammendment has nothing to do with immigration. That's a smoke screen designed to keep attention off the real agenda. Section 1. of the 14th Amendment contains among other things this language: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." This includes what are commonly known as the "due process" and "equal protection" clauses of the Constitution. These are FUNDAMENTALS. My suspicion is the Republicans are more interested in getting rid of the "due process" and "Equal Protection" clauses than "anchor babies," and hope to do so while the public is distracted by the illegal immigration issue. By getting rid of these cornerstones of civil rights they eliminate Roe v. Wade, Gay Marriage and everything else they hate. In the past three days 90 of the 198 Republicans in the House – 45-percent – have signed on as co-sponsors of a bill to repeal the 14th Amendment. This is not something to be taken lightly. We need to prepare for a major fight.

08-05-2010, 08:24 AM	#1
Soon Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: femme Relationship Status: attached Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: . Posts: 6,896 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 29,046 Thanked 13,094 Times in 3,386 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	According to the Windy City Times, during the 1996 race for the Illinois State Senate, President-Elect Barack Obama gave statements that expressed an "unequivocal support for gay marriage." From the WCT's press release: President-elect Obama's answer to a 1996 Outlines newspaper question on marriage was: "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages." There was no use of the phrase "civil unions". [Outlines purchased Windy City Times in 2000 and merged companies.] This answer is among those included in this week's Windy City Times feature on Obama's evolving position on gay marriage. Windy City Times also includes his answers to the candidate questionnaire of IMPACT, at one time a gay political action committee in Illinois. In that survey he also stated his support of same-sex marriage. During the final weeks of the presidential campaign last fall, several media outlets contacted Windy City Times because of an old internet story from the 1996 Illinois state Senate race. In that campaign, Outlines newspaper reported that 13th District candidate Barack Obama supported gay marriage. Reporters wanted to know what exactly Obama had said. Outlines summarized the results in that 1996 article by Trudy Ring, but did not list exact answers to questions. In that article Outlines did note that Obama was a supporter of same-sex marriage and that article was never challenged or corrected by Obama. Just recently, the original Outlines and IMPACT surveys were found in the newspaper's archives. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_157656.html

08-05-2010, 09:15 AM	#5
naturlover_52 Member How Do You Identify?: soft butch/bi Preferred Pronoun?: she and her are just fine....Sweetcheeks hey you Relationship Status: seeing someone long distance but soon will be both in Ca love her very much Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: So Calif East San Gabrielle Valley aka the land of shake and bake Posts: 108 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 85 Thanked 89 Times in 44 Posts Rep Power: 3426	Yes I believe that it is a shame that our president Obama has not supported our full support, BUT look at it this way....Clinton was the one that Started DOMA and Don't ask Don't Tell. Sooo I feel that the flip by Obama is shame, BUT not IF but possibly When this goes to the US Supreme Court then it will HAVE to be supported by ALL parties, BOTH Republican and Democrat and Tea Party....YES I know they aren't there own party....BUT they are the conservative Fringe of the Republicans.

08-05-2010, 10:27 AM	#8
SuperFemme Timed Out How Do You Identify?: Permanently Banned 10/24/2010 Preferred Pronoun?: She. Relationship Status: Married (one of 18,000) Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Atascadero, CA Posts: 4,933 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,309 Thanked 7,108 Times in 2,327 Posts Rep Power: 0	Our family at the end of THIS video, our kid Anita was absolutely eloquent. Me in the wheelchair? So sexy.