Same-Sex Marriage Update

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by suebee

I was posting on a discussion on a fb group page about "gay" marriage, and noticed a woman who was on the "it's always about sex with you gays" rant. I sent her a private message explaining that it wasn't about sex, and not only did she write back, but went back on the thread and apologized! She then friended me and we've been having a conversation since.

One down.....

KUDOS to you! Good work! Reminds me of a 3 hour conversation I once had in an RV park with a very Christian man that saw my bumper sticker for same-sex marriage and asked me if I would be willing to talk to him and his wife about this.

We have stayed in contact since 2004 and both of them began to speak-out in their church for same-sex marriage and civil rights for us! They voted against Prop 8. Yes, both were obviously trying to reconcile why not already, but, frankly, if I had been a defensive jerk to them, I doubt that our relationship would have happened and the turn around for them in confronting bigotry in their church. I also gained from this interaction and just plain like these people.

Honestly, I have found that demonstrating just how much I am not the stereotypes of lesbianism/being queer and being open to hets that can hear who I am, works wonders!

[suebee]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

KUDOS to you! Good work! Reminds me of a 3 hour conversation I once had in an RV park with a very Christian man that saw my bumper sticker for same-sex marriage and asked me if I would be willing to talk to him and his wife about this.

We have stayed in contact since 2004 and both of them began to speak-out in their church for same-sex marriage and civil rights for us! They voted against Prop 8. Yes, both were obviously trying to reconcile why not already, but, frankly, if I had been a defensive jerk to them, I doubt that our relationship would have happened and the turn around for them in confronting bigotry in their church. I also gained from this interaction and just plain like these people.

Honestly, I have found that demonstrating just how much I am not the stereotypes of lesbianism/being queer and being open to hets that can hear who I am, works wonders!

I hear you! She was flamed by several people, but I thought I'd be radical and just reach out! It doesn't always work, but it was at least worth a try! And as you saw, you never know what the ripple effect might be!

[betenoire]

QUICK - I am about to pick a fight with Nick's uncle on facebook. I need to know the name of that rule (I think it might even be in your constitution) that makes it okay/required for judges to overturn votes by the popular majority if said vote holds the minority down.

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by betenoire

QUICK - I am about to pick a fight with Nick's uncle on facebook. I need to know the name of that rule (I think it might even be in your constitution) that makes it okay/required for judges to overturn votes by the popular majority if said vote holds the minority down.

the 14th amendmenat

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by betenoire

QUICK - I am about to pick a fight with Nick's uncle on facebook. I need to know the name of that rule (I think it might even be in your constitution) that makes it okay/required for judges to overturn votes by the popular majority if said vote holds the minority down.

FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourtee...s_Constitution

(Hope that's what you were looking for)

[betenoire]

Thanks guys. I'm not gonna lie - I don't really understand how the US works.

Anyway.

He said: "I don't have a problem with the ruling, with one exception, and it troubles me; a judge overruled the will of the people of California. This seems to be an ever increasing trend that really bothers me. Measures are put on a ballot, voters approve them, special interests that are negatively affected by the laws file suit and the courts step in. This happened before recently in California that I can recall, with a judge overturning voter approved immigration legislation. Judicial meddling just bugs me."

So now I'm saying: "It's seems to me that this "judicial meddling" is written into your constitution.

FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Yeah, I am sooo articulate with all of my copy and pasting!

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by betenoire

Thanks guys. I'm not gonna lie - I don't really understand how the US works.

Anyway.

He said: "I don't have a problem with the ruling, with one exception, and it troubles me; a judge overruled the will of the people of California. This seems to be an ever increasing trend that really bothers me. Measures are put on a ballot, voters approve them, special interests that are negatively affected by the laws file suit and the courts step in. This happened before recently in California that I can recall, with a judge overturning voter approved immigration legislation. Judicial meddling just bugs me."

So now I'm saying: "It's seems to me that this "judicial meddling" is written into your constitution.

FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Yeah, I am sooo articulate with all of my copy and pasting!

Wellll.... you could tell him (if you are asking for input from posters here) that in 1968 it was the will of the American people that marriage between blacks and whites should not be recognized, and it was the judiciary that forced the populace to stop illegally prohibiting interracial marriages. The parents of our current president were denied marriage rights in 32 states.

In the USA we have three branches of government: Executive (president), Legislative, and Judicial, that all have EQUAL power. In theory any branch can "meddle" with the decisions of another- this is set up as a sort of fail-safe mechanism within our government. Another example of this would be the Presidential Veto, whereby the pres can completely disregard the wishes of our elected legislative officials and single handedly strike down their decisions.

(Not sure if this is too simplistic or too detailed or if you even wanted leverage for your position so I'll shut up now :0)

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

Wellll.... you could tell him (if you are asking for input from posters here) that in 1968 it was the will of the American people that marriage between blacks and whites should not be recognized, and it was the judiciary that forced the populace to stop illegally prohibiting interracial marriages. The parents of our current president were denied marriage rights in 32 states.

In the USA we have three branches of government: Executive (president), Legislative, and Judicial, that all have EQUAL power. In theory any branch can "meddle" with the decisions of another- this is set up as a sort of fail-safe mechanism within our government. Another example of this would be the Presidential Veto, whereby the pres can completely disregard the wishes of our elected legislative officials and single handedly strike down their decisions.

(Not sure if this is too simplistic or too detailed or if you even wanted leverage for your position so I'll shut up now :0)

I'll take what I can get. Thanks

(Sometimes I just like to randomly bait him. Like yesterday Nick posted that he wanted to go on vacation and his uncle said he should get an RV so I posted that there was no way Nick was getting an RV because there's only so much I can do to reduce me and Nick's collective carbon footprint.

I am just an ass sometimes.

No, he does not believe in global warming.)

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by suebee

I hear you! She was flamed by several people, but I thought I'd be radical and just reach out! It doesn't always work, but it was at least worth a try! And as you saw, you never know what the ripple effect might be!

Yup, always worth a try. Sure, there are the way crazy ones that make me cringe (and become angry sometimes, too) that I know nothing will reach, but, some out there will listen.. and change.

In thinking that a major component of allies being younger people (heading toward voting age) and these kind of people that are open to discussion and examining their values and willing to make changes. Numbers in alliances is critical, especially over the next couple of years as this case moves toward being heard by the SC. The opinion goes to the fact that, constitutionally, voting doesn't carry weight, but, positive public opinion about same-sex marriage can override the negative (and actually minority voice) around this issue.

Its too bad the woman you talked with got flamed for her ability to hear you. That very thing can prevent someone from taking a chance with new ways of thinking.

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by Toughy

why is this thingy a canadian? Blame Canada!!!!! (and now that damn song is in my head)

It's your damn fault that 'judicial meddling' is in our Constitution.....

Really, Toughy? I can't tell if you're just fucking with me or not...but it's because of Canada that the whole "judicial meddling" thing is in your Constitution?

Break it down for a girl, wouldjaplease?

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by betenoire

Really, Toughy? I can't tell if you're just fucking with me or not...but it's because of Canada that the whole "judicial meddling" thing is in your Constitution?

Break it down for a girl, wouldjaplease?

laughin............I'm just fucking with ya woman!!!....laughin..............I guess I didn't put enough of those smiley things in there cuz it was late when I posted.......


(Blame Canada!.....ya know the South Park movie about everything being the fault of Canada and we should invade and blow Canada open....)

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by Toughy

laughin............I'm just fucking with ya woman!!!....laughin..............I guess I didn't put enough of those smiley things in there cuz it was late when I posted.......


(Blame Canada!.....ya know the South Park movie about everything being the fault of Canada and we should invade and blow Canada open....)

Ah, there she is. Kept me up all night researching to find evidence of something that never existed! Why, I oughta....

I did get the South Park reference, I'm a fan of the show.

That'll teach me to take things at face value!

(You people are just jealous because Canada is so nifty.)

[JustJo]

Originally Posted by betenoire

(You people are just jealous because Canada is so nifty.)

Yes...cuz not only can you get married, but you also have Violet Crumble bars, which somehow YOU have and we don't, even though they're made in Australia. It's unfair. (sob)

I used to ask a Canadian friend to bring me some every time she visited, but with my memory I always callled them Lavender Smashies. Good thing she knew me well enough to understand.

[iamkeri1]

I am overcome with joy and gratitude that I have lived to these changes take place. Looking back at what life was like for gay folks 40 years ago (and for centuries before that), I am almost incapable of believing that these changes would come IN MY LIFETIME!!!!
JOY
JOY
JOY
Smooches,
Keri

[Linus]

Highlights that kids view marriage as between "two people who love each other".

Maybe the kids should make the laws?