Male ID butch vs. FTM??

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by SelfMadeMan

How is believing in the HBSOC being judgmental? So if my opinion differs from yours, I'm judgemental... how convenient. Those standards are there for a reason, and the process has worked for YEARS. If someone doesn't intend to transition, why then should they be on male hormones?

There are plenty of reasons for being on T, especially when one gets older, or has certain medical issues. You are assuming that the rest of the world cares about that "standard" it doesn't. You are the one making assumptions about people you don't even know. Like I said you aren't the one we have to answer to, you don't hold the power over others. Those "standards" are gatekeeping at it's finest.

[SelfMadeMan]

I wasn't referring to someone who has been told by their Doctor that they need to be on male hormomes for medical reasons... that's a whole other issue. I'm talking about taking male hormones by choice, not by medical necessity. And I didn't suggest you need MY approval. I said I believe in the HBSOC and that Physicians should have to follow those guidelines. I am still entitled to my beliefs, no? As usual - state an opinion that isn't popular and you get ripped. I have thick skin though... so slam me all you want, this isn't my first rodeo.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by SelfMadeMan

I wasn't referring to someone who has been told by their Doctor that they need to be on male hormomes for medical reasons... that's a whole other issue. I'm talking about taking male hormones by choice, not by medical necessity. And I didn't suggest you need MY approval. I said I believe in the HBSOC and that Physicians should have to follow those guidelines. I am still entitled to my beliefs, no? As usual - state an opinion that isn't popular and you get ripped. I have thick skin though... so slam me al you want, this isn't my first rodeo.

You are stating your opinion like it is some law. It isn't. People chose to do all sorts of things, one of them is whether to take T or not. That is a personal choice, not something you get to decide for another. Doctors have there place, it isn't to decide for their patient what they can and can not do. If you think I'm slamming you, you have an opinion of yourself I do not. There is no better than, no less than, no ID is greater than another and you don't get to tell others how to live their lives. Simple.
Now pardon me I have things to do like take a shower and use my T.

[Stacy]

If he's being judgemental of anyone it's the doctors totally disregarding the HBSOC. He's not judging those taking T who have not gone through what he had to go through. I'm quite sure if Michael could have gotten the hormones and that M on his driver's license an easier way, he would have taken the easier way. He is just stating that he believes the SOC is a good system which should be followed, in his opinion.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Deviant

If he's being judgemental of anyone it's the doctors totally disregarding the HBSOC. He's not judging those taking T who have not gone through what he had to go through. I'm quite sure if Michael could have gotten the hormones and that M on his driver's license an easier way, he would have taken the easier way. He is just stating that he believes the SOC is a good system which should be followed, in his opinion.

Gatekeeping.