NY Gov. starting a tax war with Native Americans

Corkey · 08-31-2010, 01:14 PM

Standing with The Seneca Nation, they are a sovereign Nation and therefore are not under this countries tax laws. And yes this is about race, and violence against those who are not under this man's jurisdiction. The governor is setting the stage to unlawfully perpetrate his will on people he does not have authority over.

Ebon · 08-31-2010, 01:30 PM

This is wrong. Native American's are not supposed to be taxed for obvious reasons. Period!

morningstar55 · 09-01-2010, 05:32 PM

GGRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr now this just piss's me off......

Gov wins Indian wrestle on cigs
By JENNIFER FERMINO

With Post Wire Services

Last Updated: 11:57 AM, August 31, 2010

Posted: 2:45 AM, August 31, 2010

Comments: 2 More Print A Buffalo judge sided with Gov. Paterson yesterday and refused to block the state from taxing cigarettes sold on Indian reservations to non-Native Americans.

Paterson wants to start taxing the previously tariff-free tobacco starting tomorrow, but local tribes have mounted a vigorous campaign to stop the taxes, which they consider an attack on their sovereignty.

Lawyers for the Seneca Indian Nation argued that the state didn't properly implement rules outlining how the taxes would be imposed.

But the judge sided with the state, which argued that new regulations allow them to slap taxes on cigarettes sold on Indian reservations, which previously could sell cigs without taxes.

The Senecas also are trying to get the taxes banned in federal court. That challenge is pending.

The cash-strapped state is desperate for the extra revenue the taxes can bring, but Paterson has expressed serious concerns.

"This is a very dangerous situation," he said last week on WOR-AM radio. "There is a, I think, high alert. The State Police tells us over and over again that there could be violence and death as a result of some of the measures we're taking."

In 1997 -- the last time New York tried to force local tribes to pay taxes on cigarettes -- violent protests forced a 30-mile stretch of the Thruway to be closed.

Seneca Nation President Barry Snyder repeatedly said "violence is not on our agenda."

The Senecas say that collecting any taxes on their reservation violates treaties.

jennifer.fermino@nypost.com Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/g...#ixzz0yK7YxZNL

Toughy · 09-01-2010, 05:50 PM

and a federal Judge reverses that decision (http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...e-cigarettes):

Judge allows Seneca, Cayuga nations to sell tax-free cigarettes

Diana Louise Carter • Staff writer • September 1, 2010

A federal judge on Tuesday temporarily stopped the latest brinksmanship between the state and Native American nations over the cigarette tax issue, hours before the state was due to begin collecting the sales tax.

U.S. District Court Judge Richard Arcara in Buffalo granted a temporary injunction requested by the Seneca and Cayuga nations.

This on-again, off-again tax conflict, which has lasted for more than two decades but has historical roots dating back two centuries, pits a deficit-ridden state government against Native Americans, many of whom have used their sovereign status to sell cigarettes free of state taxes that since July 1 have amounted to $4.35 a pack.

I highly suggest folks read this entire article. There is no talk of violence, no hint of racism and is informative concerning this issue.

Toughy · 09-01-2010, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Organicbutch

This is wrong. Native American's are not supposed to be taxed for obvious reasons. Period!

Actually NA do pay individual federal income tax and have been for a long time.

As far as I can find so do NA business except for a federal excise tax on alcohol and cigarettes.

Trying to figure out the State tax situation is hard, however I'm sure they pay State income tax and obviously business have not been paying a NY State excise tax on cigs sold to anyone on the rez. NY State wants to charge taxes for cigarettes sold to non-Natives on a rez. No NA would be charged the State tax for cigs bought on the rez.

I'm still trying to digest the article I posted above.

Maria · 09-01-2010, 06:19 PM

Regarding posts about the media's fear-mongering and racism, just saw this:

From an AP article
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...nHDVAD9HVBBD80

Last week, a sign was spotted on an overpass on the Tonawanda Band of Senecas' reservation reading: "NYS declares war 9-1-2010. Let the fires begin!"

About 100 people rallied Wednesday on Seneca land along the Thruway, saying they wanted the issue settled peacefully in court, but could be pushed only so far.

"Watch for what we're ready to do. Watch for the other side of the sword, that's all I'm saying," speaker Ross John said as passing tractor-trailers honked in apparent support. "Nobody's going to get hurt unless you try to keep us from enforcing our laws."

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Maria Member How Do You Identify?: Regular, with sugar Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: . Posts: 681 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 472 Thanked 1,333 Times in 501 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	Regarding posts about the media's fear-mongering and racism, just saw this: From an AP article http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...nHDVAD9HVBBD80 Last week, a sign was spotted on an overpass on the Tonawanda Band of Senecas' reservation reading: "NYS declares war 9-1-2010. Let the fires begin!" About 100 people rallied Wednesday on Seneca land along the Thruway, saying they wanted the issue settled peacefully in court, but could be pushed only so far. "Watch for what we're ready to do. Watch for the other side of the sword, that's all I'm saying," speaker Ross John said as passing tractor-trailers honked in apparent support. "Nobody's going to get hurt unless you try to keep us from enforcing our laws."