Difference between masculine and male identified?

Corkey · 12-19-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WicketWWarrick

I appreciate all those who have posted but am not sure I clearly stated my question. Here, let me try again.

Do others feel that a binary is upheld here in that butches are expected to be male or female identified? It seems that is implied in threads regularly and I find that not creating space for some folks.

Thoughts?

To answer your question, yes. What to do about it to change others minds, shrugs, maybe we can't. Maybe we just have to live as we are, and not worry how others perceive us. It really doesn't matter at the end of the day, I still look in the mirror and see me, in all my glory.

Darth Denkay · 12-20-2009, 07:16 PM

You're right Corkey. It doesn't bother me in the sense that it makes me question myself - I know who I am - not male or female identified - but I just find it frustrating to once again facing an implied binary where I don't fit in one of the boxes. In so many ways around here we are careful not to construct binaries that it just surprises me, that's all.

Corkey · 12-20-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WicketWWarrick

You're right Corkey. It doesn't bother me in the sense that it makes me question myself - I know who I am - not male or female identified - but I just find it frustrating to once again facing an implied binary where I don't fit in one of the boxes. In so many ways around here we are careful not to construct binaries that it just surprises me, that's all.

I agree with you my friend, so many times I said the same thing, but unless I put it in my profile, folks assumed a whole lot. I'm not particularly happy about having to choose, I'm Human and that should be enough, thing is it isn't. Don't know why and frankly I am tired of fighting about how I express my gender, is it really worth it in the end? For me no it isn't. I'm Me take it or leave it.

Jett · 12-20-2009, 07:35 PM

Kind of like having to choose from the two boxes all over again, when neither quite fit eh?

Go figure...

Peace,
Metro

Heart · 12-20-2009, 08:10 PM

What is it that says that a woman/female can't be masculine? Is it the same thing that says feminine can't be genderqueer?

Greyson · 12-20-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Heart

What is it that says that a woman/female can't be masculine? Is it the same thing that says feminine can't be genderqueer?

I think that uninformed thinking says a woman/female cannot be masculine. I don't believe this myself. I don't think genderqueer restricts feminine but honestly, I have not given that particular notion much thought. I am sure I will think about it now.

Darth Denkay · 12-25-2009, 04:31 PM

Heart,

I very much agree with what Greyson says - masculinity isn't owned by males or male-identified, and folks can be masculine and female identified. Female masculinity is a wonderfully fabulous thing. If I am using female as a sex marker and not a gender marker, then I am a masculine female in all its glory. That being said, I know that many of my butch sisters have a strong affinity for masculinity, and it is theirs as much as anyone else's.

To go even further, I think even feminine folks can incorporate masculinity into their lives as well. Masculinity is free for all!

12-20-2009, 07:16 PM	#2
Darth Denkay Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Preferred Pronoun?: I'm good with whatever Relationship Status: in love and loved Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Tennessee (Memphis, from Chattanooga) Posts: 315 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 456 Thanked 463 Times in 150 Posts Rep Power: 891936	You're right Corkey. It doesn't bother me in the sense that it makes me question myself - I know who I am - not male or female identified - but I just find it frustrating to once again facing an implied binary where I don't fit in one of the boxes. In so many ways around here we are careful not to construct binaries that it just surprises me, that's all. __________________ Darth

12-20-2009, 07:35 PM	#4
Jett Member How Do You Identify?: Hardcore bullheaded grown-ass Tomboy Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: she loves my shaggy hair Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The backroom of a night cafe plotting world domination Posts: 1,028 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,054 Thanked 3,299 Times in 568 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	Kind of like having to choose from the two boxes all over again, when neither quite fit eh? Go figure... Peace, Metro __________________ .......... In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer. ~Albert Camus

12-25-2009, 04:31 PM	#7
Darth Denkay Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Preferred Pronoun?: I'm good with whatever Relationship Status: in love and loved Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Tennessee (Memphis, from Chattanooga) Posts: 315 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 456 Thanked 463 Times in 150 Posts Rep Power: 891936	Heart, I very much agree with what Greyson says - masculinity isn't owned by males or male-identified, and folks can be masculine and female identified. Female masculinity is a wonderfully fabulous thing. If I am using female as a sex marker and not a gender marker, then I am a masculine female in all its glory. That being said, I know that many of my butch sisters have a strong affinity for masculinity, and it is theirs as much as anyone else's. To go even further, I think even feminine folks can incorporate masculinity into their lives as well. Masculinity is free for all! __________________ Darth

12-20-2009, 08:10 PM	#5
Heart Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Relationship Status: rainbows! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Posts: 466 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 303 Thanked 2,522 Times in 409 Posts Rep Power: 12032610	What is it that says that a woman/female can't be masculine? Is it the same thing that says feminine can't be genderqueer?