It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[DomnNC]

And again, I was speaking mainly of the posts that were spewing forth the venom of ignorant voters, lumping people into groups, when NONE of us have any idea of their current circumstances, which I do believe I have said more than once which can't quite seem to seep into some people's brains!

Good for you that you were able to keep your computer and internet access while unemployed, some people can't, for some people that's the first thing that goes because it's NOT a necessity in order to live or to put food on their table, or keep a roof over their kids heads. They can check out classifieds thru their local paper or word of mouth if need be.

Lastly, you don't know me so don't presume to accuse me of anything, goal post moving indeed. I'm just speaking up about people who seem to think they are so much better than others because they have an education and choose to be more politically aware than others. I don't go for blanket statements or putting a group of people down because they don't choose to participate in something. Not everyone is an activist and that's OK. You seem to think that those who don't choose to be an activist are less than you or anyone else who chooses to be so. If you don't think that way then perhaps you should read back over some of your postings because it sure does come off that way.

To be honest, I don't read much of what you say because you interlace so many other things with what you are trying to say, blurring the lines, writing a book and can't seem to get to the point of the matter without losing the audience. Brevity can be your friend.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Oh BTW the whole "more education" thing DNC

I never graduated highschool...

I couldn't I was in the streets.

I did however read ANYTHING I could get my hands on. I learned English in 3 months, and I used my library not only to get warm in but to


EDUCATE myself.

Weird huh?

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Oh BTW the whole "more education" thing DNC

I never graduated highschool...

I couldn't I was in the streets.

I did however read ANYTHING I could get my hands on. I learned English in 3 months, and I used my library not only to get warm in but to


EDUCATE myself.

Weird huh?

Not weird at all Snow, You weren't pontificating and throwing your education around like it's a banner of sorts, using it to put others down.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Not weird at all Snow, You weren't pontificating and throwing your education around like it's a banner of sorts, using it to put others down.

That's just gross to say about AJ...

Not cool DNC not cool at all

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

That's just gross to say about AJ...

Not cool DNC not cool at all

Umm, I didn't say I was talking about anyone in particular and I wasn't, that was your assumption.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Umm, I didn't say I was talking about anyone in particular and I wasn't, that was your assumption.

Dude!!

We're not stupid, subtext get used here everyday, I know you know cause you see it too and laugh about it. It's cool though, no need to back peddle, it wasn't cool what you did and I do hope you read AJ, she's an ocean of information and her education she worked fucking hard to get, she should be damn proud.

Do you know how hard it is for a POC to get that kind of education???

BBL Grant is gonna divorce me if I don't go now Big Lots calls.<subtext face> know what I'm saying?

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Dude!!

We're not stupid, subtext get used here everyday, I know you know cause you see it too and laugh about it. It's cool though, no need to back peddle, it wasn't cool what you did and I do hope you read AJ, she's an ocean of information and her education she worked fucking hard to get, she should be damn proud.

Do you know how hard it is for a POC to get that kind of education???

BBL Grant is gonna divorce me if I don't go now Big Lots calls.<subtext face> know what I'm saying?

I never said you were stupid and I was not speaking about AJ, I was speaking about all people with an education and how they come off to people at times. You made the assumption I was speaking solely of her and that is simply not true.

I worked damn hard to get my education as well, I got it all on my own without the aid of scholarships or of my parents money. I made a choice to serve our country in order to get my education and I paid for the remainder on my own working part time and such. What's that got to do with anything?? We're talking about racial profiling, which AGAIN, I will state I am against!

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

They can check out classifieds thru their local paper or word of mouth if need be.

So they can check out the classifieds through their local paper or word of mouth...but they can't find out about current events in those ways?

Crikey!

Your last paragraph was mean-spirited. And believe-you-me: I know mean-spirited.

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by betenoire

So they can check out the classifieds through their local paper or word of mouth...but they can't find out about current events in those ways?

Crikey!

Your last paragraph was mean-spirited. And believe-you-me: I know mean-spirited.

Just as her condescending comment:

Sighs, do I really have to walk you thru this again, really?

That was condescending and mean spirited as well. You can't have it both ways. If you call one out then call em all out. Just because I don't agree with her on every single sentence in her postings does not make me mean spirited. It's ok to disagree on things, it's not ok to turn condescending towards another one when they don't agree with you.

I just came to this thread to state what I thought ONE person meant in a posting because it was being misconstrued and she's been taking me to task ever since implying that I somehow was complicit and agreed with Arizona's racial profiling law when that is the furtherest thing from the truth that there is. I've even stated as such.

Now ya'll can have your play space back.

[dreadgeek]

One other point (I'll try to be brief) and then I'm off to take a bath and soak with a book before diving into homework.

I think that some of what is going on here is that some of the people of color are letting slip our very justifiable frustration, fear and anger. it's bloody 2010. The kind of law that is SB 1070, the kind of regulations that are represented by the no teaching ethnic studies in Arizona, are supposed to be relics of the past. This argument is supposed to have been settled. Not in the sense that there was no racism and no institutional racism. But there is the force of a culture that was born with racism in its ideological DNA and there is racism as the *LAW*. I will probably always worry--with good reason--about driving while black. But it isn't *legal* for a cop to pull me over because I'm black. If there's nothing wrong with my car, if I can prove that I was pulled over unjustly, I can make my complaint and perhaps, depending, I might get somewhere with it. But when it is the law, there is no complaint coming.

Corkey, Snow any other POC here I'm not trying to speak for you but I think that is some of the frustration that comes out. I know that for me, there were other issues I thought we should be working on now and here it is looks like we are seeing the beginnings of Jim Crow Part II. Like I said, I was under no illusion that this was paradise but at least this kind of crap was not passed into law. I thought we were done with legalized, state-mandated, racism.

Maybe I'm wrong if I am, Corkey, Snowy et. al. let me know but when I heard the statements "this is what they deserve in Arizona" I'm hearing frustration and a sense of "no, this doesn't get to happen with no negative consequences. A price has to be paid for racism this blatant."

Cheers
Aj

[Corkey]

You hit the nail on the head again AJ. We should have been past this long ago, but we're not. Partly due to lack of education and partly due to willful ignorance we still have that damnable Jim Crow crap to deal with. It is 2010 for another month, and in that month I am hoping with all my might that we will stop this stealing of our democracy by the plutocrats. Fascism is alive and well and it is in this country. It is up to each one of us to speak out, and yes boycott, because if we don't who will?

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

And again, I was speaking mainly of the posts that were spewing forth the venom of ignorant voters, lumping people into groups, when NONE of us have any idea of their current circumstances, which I do believe I have said more than once which can't quite seem to seep into some people's brains!

Good for you that you were able to keep your computer and internet access while unemployed, some people can't, for some people that's the first thing that goes because it's NOT a necessity in order to live or to put food on their table, or keep a roof over their kids heads. They can check out classifieds thru their local paper or word of mouth if need be.

Lastly, you don't know me so don't presume to accuse me of anything, goal post moving indeed. I'm just speaking up about people who seem to think they are so much better than others because they have an education and choose to be more politically aware than others. I don't go for blanket statements or putting a group of people down because they don't choose to participate in something. Not everyone is an activist and that's OK. You seem to think that those who don't choose to be an activist are less than you or anyone else who chooses to be so. If you don't think that way then perhaps you should read back over some of your postings because it sure does come off that way.

To be honest, I don't read much of what you say because you interlace so many other things with what you are trying to say, blurring the lines, writing a book and can't seem to get to the point of the matter without losing the audience. Brevity can be your friend.

Of course you won't read AJ, then you can't just shrug things off... Her words become a screaming reality saying

"DO SOMETHING"

Your belittling AJ's posting style is a deflection of not wanting to be enlightened or educated about a very crucial issue.

It's hard DNC it's hard to do the hard, right thing.

I would ask you read AJ cause let me tell you, that's A HELLA lot of info you are dismissing because you don't like her posting style.

*sighs*

I am going to Big Lots bbl

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

To be honest, I don't read much of what you say because you interlace so many other things with what you are trying to say, blurring the lines, writing a book and can't seem to get to the point of the matter without losing the audience. Brevity can be your friend.

Strange talk coming from someone who's posts are equally long and who's arguments are all over the map. Not being willing to read the information so easily provided to you is a classic example of willful ignorance. You have an opinion that appears to not be based on facts or reason, you're sticking to it, you're not willing to engage, and you're not willing to consider facts and information being presented.

[Corkey]

I'd like to know when having an opinion based in fact becomes somehow being one of any kind of crowd. And when being articulate is seen as anything other than a good thing. Times they are a' changin'

[dreadgeek]

[quote=DomnNC;238618]

Good for you that you were able to keep your computer and internet access while unemployed, some people can't, for some people that's the first thing that goes because it's NOT a necessity in order to live or to put food on their table, or keep a roof over their kids heads. They can check out classifieds thru their local paper or word of mouth if need be. [ /quote]

The same local paper they can't afford and thus do not have when said paper has information about, oh, a bill that invites to racial profiling.

Lastly, you don't know me so don't presume to accuse me of anything, goal post moving indeed. I'm just speaking up about people who seem to think they are so much better than others because they have an education and choose to be more politically aware than others. I don't go for blanket statements or putting a group of people down because they don't choose to participate in something. Not everyone is an activist and that's OK. You seem to think that those who don't choose to be an activist are less than you or anyone else who chooses to be so. If you don't think that way then perhaps you should read back over some of your postings because it sure does come off that way.

Fascinating. I say that you are goal post moving--something I think can be demonstrated and you accuse me of knowing you. Yet, you believe you can get in my head and tell me what I think about people who are not activists? Well, not even wrong on that score. I have said not a word about being activists. I have said quite a bit about being informed and voting neither of which I would consider activism--I would consider those citizenship. I don't think everyone has to be an activist. I have been an activist and I have had my periods where I was burnt out and didn't do activism.

However, through that time I have tried to be a citizen. We get the government and, by extension, the political structure we deserve. This isn't Iraq under Saddam Hussein nor is it Saudi Arabia under the House of Saud. Until demonstrated otherwise, this is a democratic republic and if it is screwed up then that is because we have allowed it to become so. This country does not belong to Wall Street. It doesn't belong to hedge fund managers. It belongs to ALL of the American people.

Yet pitifully few of the American people vote and thus bail out on the civic life of their nation. Is unemployment high in your area? Does it appear that it's not getting any better? That is, in no small part, because of decisions made by state, local and national governments. Are there homeless people sleeping under bridges? Why? Because, again, decisions made--largely in the area of budget priority--that create the conditions where people cannot afford housing and there are no services that can keep them off the streets. If people don't vote or if they vote in an uninformed fashion then they are as responsible for the condition of the country as every member of Congress, every mayor, every state representative, every governor, every President. If that is not true, then this isn't any kind of free society. As long as we can vote people out of office and they are compelled to relinquish power when we do so, then we have the government we deserve. If we have a government we cannot influence at all then whatever this is, it is not a democratic republic and we must then ask ourselves a different set of questions.

I like to believe that this country is still subject to the rule of law and the will of the voters enough that we can still save our country from, well, us. I would prefer people be informed voters and also give a damn enough about their country and the world they are leaving for their children to be informed about it--and by informed I mean something more substantive than the latest antics of the Kardashians or who is on American Idol.

To be honest, I don't read much of what you say because you interlace so many other things with what you are trying to say, blurring the lines, writing a book and can't seem to get to the point of the matter without losing the audience. Brevity can be your friend.

I want to make it clear here that you made this personal and I'm going to let this slide. I didn't ask for your critique although I always find writing critiques helpful. But you made this personal, not I. You'll probably keep making it personal but to the best of my ability I won't.

You have a point, I understand the point you are making but disagree with it. I don't think citizenship is activism and I think that citizenship involves trying to be informed about what is going on in your city, state, and nation. I think it has consequences whether one does or not. I think that the state of the polity reflects something about the people--if the people run the polity. Look around you, how good of a job do you think We the People have done in the last, oh, quarter century?

Cheers
Aj