Do Businesses Have the Right to Refuse Service Based on Moral/Religious Objections?

Miss Scarlett · 03-18-2011, 06:56 PM

Augusta National is a private club and therefore Title II of the Civil Rights Act does not apply to them or any other private club.

"(e) The provisions of this title shall not apply to a private club or other establishment not in fact open to the public, except to the extent that the facilities of such establishment are made available to the customers or patrons of an establishment within the scope of subsection (b)."

While it may appear that Fred Phelps may not have a case against DomnNC (or any business) for refusing service that determination would be left up to the Courts. Baseless lawsuits are filed all the time far too many in the hope that the deep pockets will open rather than spend thousands on legal fees. Sadly far too many companies/corporations/individuals would rather rollover and pay someone to go away than stand up and fight back.

Didn't many of us think there was no way Phelps would prevail before the Court? You never know what Courts will do...another reason why people would rather settle than fight.

If we (as in the entire LGBT community in the US) put half as much energy into fighting for our equal rights that we do in fighting with each other (or whining about things) we'd have our equality in record time and this discussion would be moot.

DomnNC · 03-18-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

If we (as in the entire LGBT community in the US) put half as much energy into fighting for our equal rights that we do in fighting with each other (or whining about things) we'd have our equality in record time and this discussion would be moot.

AFreakingMen!!

The_Lady_Snow · 03-18-2011, 07:15 PM

Hence my loop hole comment, they found a way to discriminate, be classiest up to 1990 racist, sexist mysiginistic elitist and this is an event watched and supported by millions (including women).

Anyways I'm off the merry go round I've a spring break to enjoy with 2 of the handsomest guys around.

Latah!

Soon · 03-18-2011, 07:41 PM

Just b/c someone can go through the backdoor or find a loophole to defy existing protection laws, does that mean that they are not valuable and necessary?

For example, a company may not give the reason that they will not hire someone with a disability...they will say they don't meet the qualifications necessary for the job.

Just b/c we know this unethical and illegal practice is still done, I still would not want people with disabilities to be excluded from Employment/Housing protections.

Miss Scarlett · 03-18-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

Just b/c someone can go through the backdoor or find a loophole to defy existing protection laws, does that mean that they are not valuable and necessary?

For example, a company may not give the reason that they will not hire someone with a disability...they will say they don't meet the qualifications necessary for the job.

Just b/c we know this unethical and illegal practice is still done, I still would not want people with disabilities to be excluded from Employment/Housing protections.

In 1990 Congress enacted the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). The ADA provides "provides comprehensive civil rights protections to individuals with disabilities in the areas of employment, public accommodations, State and local government services, and telecommunications."

http://www.ada.gov/

Soon · 03-18-2011, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

In 1990 Congress enacted the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). The ADA provides "provides comprehensive civil rights protections to individuals with disabilities in the areas of employment, public accommodations, State and local government services, and telecommunications."

http://www.ada.gov/

Miss Scarlett,

I realize that which is why I used it as an example.

Miss Scarlett · 03-18-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

Miss Scarlett,

I realize that which is why I used it as an example.

I see. What does Canada have on the books that gives similar protections?

Soon · 03-18-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

I see. What does Canada have on the books that gives similar protections?

The Employment Equity Act and the Canadian Human Rights Act.

As well, Ontario, in particular, has its own Disabilities Act.

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03-18-2011, 06:56 PM	#1
Miss Scarlett Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Relationship Status: . Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: . Posts: 5,530 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,478 Thanked 12,947 Times in 3,419 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	Augusta National is a private club and therefore Title II of the Civil Rights Act does not apply to them or any other private club. "(e) The provisions of this title shall not apply to a private club or other establishment not in fact open to the public, except to the extent that the facilities of such establishment are made available to the customers or patrons of an establishment within the scope of subsection (b)." While it may appear that Fred Phelps may not have a case against DomnNC (or any business) for refusing service that determination would be left up to the Courts. Baseless lawsuits are filed all the time far too many in the hope that the deep pockets will open rather than spend thousands on legal fees. Sadly far too many companies/corporations/individuals would rather rollover and pay someone to go away than stand up and fight back. Didn't many of us think there was no way Phelps would prevail before the Court? You never know what Courts will do...another reason why people would rather settle than fight. If we (as in the entire LGBT community in the US) put half as much energy into fighting for our equal rights that we do in fighting with each other (or whining about things) we'd have our equality in record time and this discussion would be moot.

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Soon Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: femme Relationship Status: attached Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: . Posts: 6,896 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 29,046 Thanked 13,094 Times in 3,386 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	Just b/c someone can go through the backdoor or find a loophole to defy existing protection laws, does that mean that they are not valuable and necessary? For example, a company may not give the reason that they will not hire someone with a disability...they will say they don't meet the qualifications necessary for the job. Just b/c we know this unethical and illegal practice is still done, I still would not want people with disabilities to be excluded from Employment/Housing protections.