No Fly Zone over Libya - Rhetoric/Implications

Words · 03-23-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AtLastHome

It does make me crazy that leaders in these countries have ruled with iron hands and ripped off the people taking oil money and common people live in poverty. No social services, intra-structure. Nuts, when you think about how much money is involved which is a resource of the people. They end up without education and opportunity and these ruling families stash the money away.

So hard to trust politics!

This doesn't apply to Libya.

I worked in Benghazi for almost a year way back in the early 80s and I can vouch for the fact that although Ghadaffi is indeed a total head case (don't even get me started on his 'Little Green Book') - http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...0-quotes/full/ - he has done a lot of good for the Libyan people as a whole.

True, there's not much in the way of democracy, Ghadaffi being the power hungry nutcase that he is, but even way back when I was there, there was plenty of education and opportunity. Libya actually has quite a long history of spending small fortunes on educating its new generation of young graduates abroad, all expenses paid, to ensure that they get the best possible education. Obviously, it has motives for doing so but even so, it would be wrong to say that educational opportunites have never existed/do not exist today.

As to poverty, to the best of my knowledge, all Libyans have access to food, healthcare, and shelter - which is a lot more than can be said for many living elsewhere, democracy or no democracy.

Words

Words · 03-23-2011, 05:02 PM

Libya's education record...(note: highest literacy rate in the Arab World).

http://www.infodev.org/en/Document.412.pdf

AtLast · 03-28-2011, 01:04 PM

Something that is continually on my mind concerning this action (and what is going on throughout many nations in this region) is if what women endue everyday in many Arab countries will be addressed in some global manner. Stats for Eqypt show that over 83% of women across socio-economic lines are sexually abused and harrassed throughout their lives.

I have reservations about this action, yet there is a part of me that wonders about how Libyan (Eqyption as well) women view the possible collapse of this regime. Women are raped and harrassed in these countries on a regular basis. I don't accept the concept of cultural relativity as an excuse/reason for the treatment of women as shit in any nation.

Do women in Libya and throughout the Arab world see that they their daughters may have a different life if this tyrant is removed? Or, do the rebels even think about women's rights and treatment?

If Libyans are better educated, how does this apply to women? And are women included in living a freer life within more democratic Arab nations? Will they be part of future social and political institutions?

03-23-2011, 05:02 PM	#2
Words Member How Do You Identify?: Queer femme submissive Relationship Status: Married Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Posts: 969 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,449 Thanked 4,258 Times in 677 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	Libya's education record...(note: highest literacy rate in the Arab World). http://www.infodev.org/en/Document.412.pdf Last edited by Words; 03-23-2011 at 05:05 PM.

03-28-2011, 01:04 PM	#3
AtLast Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Woman Preferred Pronoun?: HER - SHE Relationship Status: Relating Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CA & AZ I'm a Snowbird Posts: 5,408 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,826 Thanked 10,827 Times in 3,199 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	Something that is continually on my mind concerning this action (and what is going on throughout many nations in this region) is if what women endue everyday in many Arab countries will be addressed in some global manner. Stats for Eqypt show that over 83% of women across socio-economic lines are sexually abused and harrassed throughout their lives. I have reservations about this action, yet there is a part of me that wonders about how Libyan (Eqyption as well) women view the possible collapse of this regime. Women are raped and harrassed in these countries on a regular basis. I don't accept the concept of cultural relativity as an excuse/reason for the treatment of women as shit in any nation. Do women in Libya and throughout the Arab world see that they their daughters may have a different life if this tyrant is removed? Or, do the rebels even think about women's rights and treatment? If Libyans are better educated, how does this apply to women? And are women included in living a freer life within more democratic Arab nations? Will they be part of future social and political institutions?