OSAMA BINLADEN IS DEAD

[Laidbackgrly]

I have to see his cold dead carkus before i beleive it!

[Ciaran]

Ok, so he's dead. There might be some sense of accomplishment or feeling that the bogeyman is dead but that's all he was, a bogeyman.

The islamist extremist / jihadist threat was always and has always been much more than about Bin Laden even if sometimes the western media have personified the threat through Bin Laden. By all accounts, Bin Laden had limited practical leadership for most of the last decade and, in any event, there are thousands ready and willing to take his place.

I'd celebrate if a war was won or terrorism was defeated. However, that's not the case. No celebrations from my (admittedly non-American) perspective.

[Apocalipstic]

I, as always, am suspicious. I wonder if Presidents really know what is going on? Do they tell them the truth? Who is they?

If indeed he is dead, I would like to see our troops come home and given the medical and mental health assistance they need to return to their lives.

[Ebon]

He's been dead for awhile. This poor lady Benazir Bhutto was murdered after this.

[Ms. Tabitha]

When Saddam was captured he was all over the news. He was hung, and the world was happy.
Osama is shot, twice. We see footage of the blood stained floor, why can't we see pictures of his body?
I think we should still see it. Just my opinion.

[girl_dee]

Originally Posted by Ms. Tabitha

When Saddam was captured he was all over the news. He was hung, and the world was happy.
Osama is shot, twice. We see footage of the blood stained floor, why can't we see pictures of his body?
I think we should still see it. Just my opinion.

I completely agree, and why not show the video of the *burial at sea*

[The_Lady_Snow]

It's a somber household here, I now worry about my life long friend Dickie Padilla who's over in the middle east, our brothers, sisters, parents and children out there on the frontlines.

It's not a time to celebrate for me, I just hope they come home soon.

[Kobi]

I dont see the value of showing pictures of blood stained, dead bodies or burials at sea even if it is of public enemy number 1.

Flaunting the death of an "enemy" is ill advised, as well as grotesque.

Not creating an "enemy" seems a wiser choice.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by Kobi

Not creating an "enemy" seems a wiser choice.

What she said!

[princessbelle]

IMO....

If our President was killed America would not fall. We would rise. We would get us another leader and be screaming with weapons across the skies, water and land at the ones responsible. As a few have said here ...there are hundreds that will more than likely raise their hand to take Bin Laden's place.

So, where does that leave us on this planet? IMO it leaves us with an extremely pissed off group of his followers/army who are capable of unthinkable acts of violence.

I pray for our troups and their families. I, like everyone, want them home where they belong. I am proud of them and hurt for them at the same time. I don't believe that killing Bin Laden will accomplish bringing our troups home or make us safer.

I do think he should have been captured/killed but not sure exactly it will accomplish a thing.

I am normally not a pessimist but i have a rather sick feeling about this. I don't believe this is an end to anything. As a matter of fact...it may just be the beginning.

[Queerasfck]

It's all good. Apretty's got this. She's locked and loaded with her guns ready.....one in the chamber. Right now she's got our condo on heightened security lock down, def con "orange".

However, I have to worry about her judgement! She's been up in our cul-de-sac partying all night with our neighbors!

Yippee ki-yay muthas


send healing light and your prayers!

[apretty]

exactly this:

Originally Posted by Ciaran

Ok, so he's dead. There might be some sense of accomplishment or feeling that the bogeyman is dead but that's all he was, a bogeyman.

The islamist extremist / jihadist threat was always and has always been much more than about Bin Laden even if sometimes the western media have personified the threat through Bin Laden. By all accounts, Bin Laden had limited practical leadership for most of the last decade and, in any event, there are thousands ready and willing to take his place.

I'd celebrate if a war was won or terrorism was defeated. However, that's not the case. No celebrations from my (admittedly non-American) perspective.

[atomiczombie]

Originally Posted by Ciaran

Ok, so he's dead. There might be some sense of accomplishment or feeling that the bogeyman is dead but that's all he was, a bogeyman.

The islamist extremist / jihadist threat was always and has always been much more than about Bin Laden even if sometimes the western media have personified the threat through Bin Laden. By all accounts, Bin Laden had limited practical leadership for most of the last decade and, in any event, there are thousands ready and willing to take his place.

I'd celebrate if a war was won or terrorism was defeated. However, that's not the case. No celebrations from my (admittedly non-American) perspective.

Agreed, and I think until the US, to a significant degree, pulls its troops out of the Middle East and stops influencing the oil market there, we will have to deal with terrorism from that area. People don't often realize that this isn't a war about religion. It's about US presence and interference in sovereign nations and economic Imperialism. At least that is how it all got started. The wars we have waged there have costs countless lives, which just ingrain the hatred of many people in that region.

[Martina]

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...068931,00.html

[Martina]

Let me tell you about one of America's young people, none of whom i am disappointed in.

Jesus is now 23, i guess. He is married and expecting a child. He is married to his high school sweetheart. He grew up in one of the most violent and gang-ridden neighborhoods in Northern California. He was a drug dealer, a fairly successful one for his age. He decided that he wasn't going to survive in that life, and he didn't want to die. He loved his girlfriend (now his wife), and didn't want her to lose him. So he enlisted. He was sent to Iraq. While he was there, he completed an online undergraduate degree from a respected university. He saved all the college money that the military owed him and paid for it himself. He also saved from his pay and bonuses. He is home and ready to enter a Master's Program with enough savings to pay for it without dipping into his military college money, which is 55K. He can pass that money on to his child, which is his plan.

The rest of the story is the five stars Jesus has tatooed in his arm. They represent the five people he had to kill to stay alive in Iraq. Two of them are children. Jesus looks at those stars every day and lives with the deaths on his soul -- his words. So he got out of a life of crime and poverty. The military helped him, but look at the price he had to pay. He is OK. He is healthy and bright and driven. And he does not deny what he did. He lives with it. He is a good human being. These are our youth. These are the people who represent us overseas. i, for one, am extremely proud of them.

[Corkey]

While I'm not pumping my chest in the USA chanting going on in some areas, I do think that justice for 3000+ people of all races who were senselessly killed by a mad man on 9/11 has been done. He's dead and the killing will go on, because that's what humans do if they don't like the way one looks, or if they don't agree with another religion, or for oil.
I'm not going to sit here and have the men and women who serve this country besmirched for their service, sacrifices, and their lives. No one knows better than one who has served just what they are going through. It is up to the citizenry of this country to let their leaders know that the men and women of this country who come home in body bags, in pieces, missing arms, legs, brains, have given enough. The wars will not stop just because one mad man is dead, there are plenty more where he came from.

[Novelafemme]

My previous posts are an effort to elicit thoughts of both accountability and peace. My words, albeit at times admittedly inflammatory, are never written to belittle, denigrate or devalue years spent in service to our country. In any capacity. I take issue with the waging of any war. I take issue with war as a suspension of all morality.

[Nat]

Has the military been besmirched in this thread?

[Rook]

I won't make this into a Religious Debate, I will say this though..
Asshole, Demon, supreme ayatollah of the Meanest, cruelest sick fuckin sumbitches in Existence, He's still a Muslim...
Whether 3...5...10,000, or 4 million claim he isn't, that they don't agree with his views is an entirely different matter, I'm more than sure any Educated Muslim will agree that only 1 can come down from where ever and say "Hypocrite, Leave".
And the 1 aint even Human.
Wanna go 2 out of 3?
That's the closest to Roman Catholics saying "Ok, my daughters not only gay but s/he's going to Transition...The Pope decries this, and yet she's always been a devout Catholic...Maybe she's not."
I say closest because everyone has their own thoughts on what is, and what isn't, if we listened to all of the "what isn't" we'd be screwed front and back.
To say they gave him a Proper Islamic treatment, w/o proof is like saying (no offense to kabbalists/haredi) the Baal Shem Tov was given a proper Kaddish by muslim Clerics.
They could've very well aprehended him, like Saddam, escorted him to Saudi Arabia, whom btw, to my knowledge, allied themself with the United States AND praised their actions upon notice of his Death.
Like Saddam, he would've faced a severe Trial, unlike Saddam[if I have right info.] it would be a judgment handed down by his Peers.
In accordance with Laws he claimed to revere far more than he'd ever give 2 squirts of piss within Our Judicial system, why? Easy, Shari'ah, contrary to most Western...and some European thoughts, is the word of Allah, something he claims to Love more than his own children..
Could u imagine how tarnished his reputation would've been had he been on trial and threatened them??
After all the shit he's slung in the name of Allah, you actually believe they'd let him go unscathed?
As for Gas, that shit's gonna go up anyways, with or w/o bin Laden news, hell...It started shooting for the stars when the civil unrest occurred in Egypt.

As for showing the Corpse, regardless again that he's the next worse thing to Hitler, there is such a think as our own Humanity, and respect for it...
Had they shown every gruesome picture in Gorey living Color, do you think they wouldnt hit the roof, like they did when the incident of Abu Ghraib occured?{btw, nice punishment to those officers}
I too come from a Military Family, Half of my biological Fathers family are muslim, 4 muslims served in Air Force, Army, and Marines, my father included.
I almost did, but both my health and my youth fucked me over.
My heart goes out to the Troops putting their lives on the Line for OUR freedom to say and do precisely This -waves at this forum-
I have Friends who're married to Soldiers, have Children in Service...
I've spent weeks consoling very cherished Friends sadness after their Spouse was deployed within weeks of returning Home..
I'm as much a Patriot as anyone else...
I will happily call Bullshit, if I see it, smell it or Feel it.
I'll gladly debate till the Cows come home, I won't pay attention or tolerate insults tho.

[theoddz, didnt Gandhi say that ? awesome]
G'day

Al-Azhar University's grand Imam -&- others decries "proper burial" at Sea

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Rook

I won't make this into a Religious Debate, I will say this though..
Asshole, Demon, supreme ayatollah of the Meanest, cruelest sick fuckin sumbitches in Existence, He's still a Muslim...
Whether 3...5...10,000, or 4 million claim he isn't, that they don't agree with his views is an entirely different matter, I'm more than sure any Educated Muslim will agree that only 1 can come down from where ever and say "Hypocrite, Leave".
And the 1 aint even Human.
Wanna go 2 out of 3?
That's the closest to Roman Catholics saying "Ok, my daughters not only gay but s/he's going to Transition...The Pope decries this, and yet she's always been a devout Catholic...Maybe she's not."
I say closest because everyone has their own thoughts on what is, and what isn't, if we listened to all of the "what isn't" we'd be screwed front and back.
To say they gave him a Proper Islamic treatment, w/o proof is like saying (no offense to kabbalists/haredi) the Baal Shem Tov was given a proper Kaddish by muslim Clerics.
They could've very well aprehended him, like Saddam, escorted him to Saudi Arabia, whom btw, to my knowledge, allied themself with the United States AND praised their actions upon notice of his Death.
Like Saddam, he would've faced a severe Trial, unlike Saddam[if I have right info.] it would be a judgment handed down by his Peers.
In accordance with Laws he claimed to revere far more than he'd ever give 2 squirts of piss within Our Judicial system, why? Easy, Shari'ah, contrary to most Western...and some European thoughts, is the word of Allah, something he claims to Love more than his own children..
Could u imagine how tarnished his reputation would've been had he been on trial and threatened them??
After all the shit he's slung in the name of Allah, you actually believe they'd let him go unscathed?
As for Gas, that shit's gonna go up anyways, with or w/o bin Laden news, hell...It started shooting for the stars when the civil unrest occurred in Egypt.

As for showing the Corpse, regardless again that he's the next worse thing to Hitler, there is such a think as our own Humanity, and respect for it...
Had they shown every gruesome picture in Gorey living Color, do you think they wouldnt hit the roof, like they did when the incident of Abu Ghraib occured?{btw, nice punishment to those officers}
I too come from a Military Family, Half of my biological Fathers family are muslim, 4 muslims served in Air Force, Army, and Marines, my father included.
I almost did, but both my health and my youth fucked me over.
My heart goes out to the Troops putting their lives on the Line for OUR freedom to say and do precisely This -waves at this forum-
I have Friends who're married to Soldiers, have Children in Service...
I've spent weeks consoling very cherished Friends sadness after their Spouse was deployed within weeks of returning Home..
I'm as much a Patriot as anyone else...
I will happily call Bullshit, if I see it, smell it or Feel it.
I'll gladly debate till the Cows come home, I won't pay attention or tolerate insults tho.

[theoddz, didnt Gandhi say that ? awesome]
G'day

Al-Azhar University's grand Imam -&- others decries "proper burial" at Sea

Thanks for this link- the burial at sea does not seem to be getting much attention in terms of it being properly sanctioned by Islamic Law on any media I get.