Did the Pakistan government know Osama bin Laden was there?

girl_dee · 05-06-2011, 04:52 AM

I can't think about all of this today but I have no doubt Pakistan knew he was there.

Linus · 05-06-2011, 05:39 AM

Why would they (the Pakistani gov't) announce on TV that they knew where Osama lived if they were working with the US to get him? I'm puzzled by that whole concept..

Dutch Leonard · 05-06-2011, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Linus

Why would they (the Pakistani gov't) announce on TV that they knew where Osama lived if they were working with the US to get him? I'm puzzled by that whole concept..

If it wasn't out and out sympathy to his cause, then I think it was making a deal with the devil, if they let him alone, they wouldn't be targets of attacks. Once we did the dirty work, they can feign ignorance and outrage.

rockybcn · 05-06-2011, 06:37 AM

I believe they knew....but as all govts. its easier to turn a blind eye or deaf ear and play dumb when necessary. When your country is in economic crisis and you are being funded vast amounts of money from another country....well? They are a very close knit community and word spreads fast. They have found some of the biggest cells of terrorists reside here in Spain from Pakistan.
In Spain the Pakis are moving here in droves, they have the great opportunity to open small grocery stores and fruit markets and dont have to pay any taxes for 7 years....after that time,they sell it to another Paki and paying taxes becomes non existant.

Glenn · 05-06-2011, 07:09 AM

We just pissed the Pakis off today by killing 15 so far with drones on their border of Afganistan. They already warned US : No More Strikes INSIDE Pak. It should be interesting how this is played out. I'm also thinking are we acting quickly on info we received from the raid?

I also read this morning dated May 3, interesting article by Alex Jones at http://www.infowars.com/forget-pakis...ion-all-along/

Andrew, Jr. · 05-06-2011, 08:26 AM

I do feel the Pakistan gov't knew all along where OBL was living. The gov't ignored him, and let him hide in plain site just as long as they could get away with it. They were caught, and now with the evidence that our soldiers got from inside the OBL compound, it will be real interesting to see what is released for the world to see.

NJFemmie · 05-06-2011, 08:56 AM

They knew. You don't build a million dollar home and not know who's living in it.

EnderD_503 · 05-06-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa

We just pissed the Pakis off today by killing 15 so far with drones on their border of Afganistan. They already warned US : No More Strikes INSIDE Pak. It should be interesting how this is played out. I'm also thinking are we acting quickly on info we received from the raid?

I also read this morning dated May 3, interesting article by Alex Jones at http://www.infowars.com/forget-pakis...ion-all-along/

Seriously? Honestly think using these kinds of slurs are disrespectful and only continues to widen the void.

As for the topic question...I guess I don't really care if they knew or not. If they did know, it was pretty convenient for George W to go and start an illegal war in Iraq as an extension of the supposed "war on terror." If the Pakistani gov't knew, then the American government likely knew as well...but then they wouldn't have been able to justify the unlawful invasion of Iraq if they'd killed him ten years ago.

And no I'm not dipping my toes into conspiracy theory here, just saying that it was pretty convenient to "not know" as far as starting a war that was more about imperialism than anything else.

Also wanted to add that I think the fact that many Pakistanis are irritated by what some see as disregard for Pakistan's sovereignty by the US is more of an issue on how US-Pakistani relations will look in the future than this.

Legendryder · 05-06-2011, 09:51 AM

Well, I say if Pakistan is so angry with us, we withdraw our support and leave. See how quickly they change their tune.

Glenn · 05-06-2011, 11:09 AM

[QUOTE=EnderD_503;333923] it was pretty convenient to "not know" as far as starting a war that was more about imperialism than anything else.

Blaming my country isn't part of the solution either. Moslem radicals have attacked soo many other countries that don't even have any troops there. It's more complicated than imperialism vs. 3rd world underdog.

Strappie · 05-06-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa

We just pissed the Pakis off today by killing 15 so far with drones on their border of Afganistan. They already warned US : No More Strikes INSIDE Pak. It should be interesting how this is played out. I'm also thinking are we acting quickly on info we received from the raid?

I also read this morning dated May 3, interesting article by Alex Jones at http://www.infowars.com/forget-pakis...ion-all-along/

So it's okay for people to use Pak?? God I hope we don't start using the N word.. cause I will RUN as fast as I can from this site.

I find this completely OFFENSIVE!

Toughy · 05-06-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa

We just pissed the Pakis off today by killing 15 so far with drones on their border of Afganistan. They already warned US : No More Strikes INSIDE Pak. It should be interesting how this is played out. I'm also thinking are we acting quickly on info we received from the raid?

I also read this morning dated May 3, interesting article by Alex Jones at http://www.infowars.com/forget-pakis...ion-all-along/

Ignorance abounds.........

by the way..........Alex Jones is an ultra-right wing idealogue and a conspiracy junkie...........why in the hell would anyone read his lies????

Toughy · 05-06-2011, 05:21 PM

Did the Pakistan government know where bin Laden was hiding ..............shrug...........maybe some folks in the government did and some didn't.

Did we violate Pakistan's ground and airspace? We have been bombing the Pakistan/Afghanistan border for months now with the permission of Pakistan. President Obama publicly said we would go in and get bin Laden and he said it often.

I'm completely sure Pakistan officials knew we would send in a team at any time to get him if we knew where he was.

It's a moot point as far as I am concerned. The thing that is good is that we didn't bomb the fuck out of the area his compound was located and created lots of civilian casualities, no intelligence/information, and possibly not killing him. This was quick, clean....in and out with minimal damage and lots of intelligience/infomation found.

Concerning one of bin Laden's wives and child(ren) seeing him get a part of his head blown off. The wife knew what could happen if she lived with him. She did not have to be there, nor did the children. I'm not likely to shed a tear or have a second thought about her seeing him get killed.

Linus · 05-07-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch Leonard

If it wasn't out and out sympathy to his cause, then I think it was making a deal with the devil, if they let him alone, they wouldn't be targets of attacks. Once we did the dirty work, they can feign ignorance and outrage.

Actually, I was thinking that the US asked the Pakistani gov't not to talk about it and to feign ignorance. In previous actions it was blasted all over the news and that took the edge off the action. So it actually makes a lot of sense not to blab decisions as much on the air.

View Poll Results: Did the Pakistan government (or military) know Osama bin Laden was there?
Yes, I believe Pakistani officials of some kind knew (please explain):	57	78.08%
No, I don't believe Pakistani officials knew (please explain);	2	2.74%
I am not sure (please explain):	3	4.11%
I believe private Pakistani citizens knew and helped him set up his "safe house."	11	15.07%
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

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05-06-2011, 08:26 AM	#6
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05-06-2011, 05:21 PM	#13
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