Pat Robertson claims Haiti is cursed; earthquake caused by Haiti's pact with the devil.

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by Rufusboi

Does anyone even pay attention to Robertson any more. He's stuck his foot in his mouth so many times that I think everyone just rolls their eyes and moves on.

Rufus

That may be a comforting belief but I think Robertson does, in fact, have quite a following. Not only does he have his own show (which is syndicated on a lot of stations) but he has his own network. He has the ear of Republican politicians AND, keep in mind, he's just one who *said* it. How many people will hear something similar on Sunday?

Having deprogrammed myself from a fundamentalist Christian mindset a decade ago, I tend to take folks like Robertson, Hagee, Warren, et. al. *very* seriously. I presume that they mean what they say and say precisely what they mean. What's more, I presume that there are any number of people who believe the things that they spew forth. It can be very comfortable to dismiss Robertson as just some old cook sitting in a basement somewhere but I think that the time for that is past.

I watched the queer movement dismiss the Christian right through the nineties, writing them off as some kind of rump movement of maybe a thousand people sitting in some basement church while all the while, the CR gathered strength, executing their stealth strategy with commitment and discipline. Their views have consequences and those of us who stand to lose the most from them coming to power would be well-served to take them seriously and to make certain that their words are heard beyond the safe circle where their ideas are welcome.

Cheers
Aj

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by dreadgeek

That may be a comforting belief but I think Robertson does, in fact, have quite a following. Not only does he have his own show (which is syndicated on a lot of stations) but he has his own network. He has the ear of Republican politicians AND, keep in mind, he's just one who *said* it. How many people will hear something similar on Sunday?

Having deprogrammed myself from a fundamentalist Christian mindset a decade ago, I tend to take folks like Robertson, Hagee, Warren, et. al. *very* seriously. I presume that they mean what they say and say precisely what they mean. What's more, I presume that there are any number of people who believe the things that they spew forth. It can be very comfortable to dismiss Robertson as just some old cook sitting in a basement somewhere but I think that the time for that is past.

I watched the queer movement dismiss the Christian right through the nineties, writing them off as some kind of rump movement of maybe a thousand people sitting in some basement church while all the while, the CR gathered strength, executing their stealth strategy with commitment and discipline. Their views have consequences and those of us who stand to lose the most from them coming to power would be well-served to take them seriously and to make certain that their words are heard beyond the safe circle where their ideas are welcome.

Cheers
Aj

They are very scary. The fact that Warren can make trips to Uganda as part of "The Family" and preach to them about gays being cured has ended up with a death penalty for being gay there. Now he is trying to distance himself from it all.

They really do believe we should receive the death penalty. Scare the Jesus right out of me.

[Andrew, Jr.]

Pat Robertson is delusional. God is love. Nothing more, nothing less. What Robertson is spewing is hatred. I am glad I won't be in his shoes when he meets his maker.

[Toughy]

laughin....

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dang I love my friends.........laughin

I get to use hyperbole just like other people!!!!

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Big Daddy PapaChris......

misguided would describe Sarah Palin.............laughin.........I kinda think the Pope is far more than misguided.........and that would include damn near all of them......there are some exceptions....

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Pat Robertson is a greedy money grumbing carpetbagging capitalist who uses religion as the cover for where all his hidden money is buried..........

Christian evil is a concept..... from my position as an outsider......that Pat and the Pope (and several others) appear to do their best to accomplish......

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in general we all need to be careful about underestimating those we so easily call idiot and ignorant........I don't think Pat or Sarah Palin or Bill O'Reilly or Pope or Rick Warren or ______ fit those definitions.......

[WILDCAT]

I think Pat is crazy and evil and I agree with Toughy that the pope is as well. What's the difference if we refer to one of these men as "fucking evil" and not the other...? (Or, that it's OK to wish Pat a slow death, or say how sick we think he is or that he is ignorant, etc... here on the site? People are expressing their outrage, thoughts, feelings on this.) There are Christians Protestants - and Christian Catholics both here. They are untouchable in word here, unless moderated/cushioned in protection, because... "why"? Who cares about us queers? Hell WE turn on each other here. Do I make these men more important than I think we are - or the people of Haiti? (Although, I feel both act "as if" they are "god-like", or are god, whatever that means...?)

Both men have many, MANY followers. LOTS of money involved! But, more concerning to me, the power of that money to sway negativity - such as in this case with Haiti. Neither of them wish "US" folks too much wellness in our lives as queers either... neither of them want us to have the rights to be able to love or be legally united - in fact, they're sure we are going to hell and suffer miserably. (Unless we repent, of course... denounce perhaps? Then maybe we'll be spared?)

The thing IS that Pat does have such a huge empire TOO, that when he made yet another insane and ignorant comment like this here... it STOPPED dead in their tracks thousands of folks who would have otherwise sent aid to Haiti.

That IS "fucking evil", IMO. Saying something like this while parentless children and every possible horrible family/loss scenario are being shown [clearly] running around the streets all bloody, crying, lost and confused... (?)

Hopefully, this will PISS OFF enough folks though then, to help who wouldn't have otherwise - on the other hand... knowing what he just took away by his extreme thoughtlessness and insensitivity.

Oh, has the pope denounced what Pat said yet? I was just wondering... I'm SURE he has said to help out at this time - to have great compassion, especially as the funds can come more directly now to that specific denomination.
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Plus, I wanted to ask - is there REALLY a reference to the actual word "WITCH" in the bible? I didn't know that sentiment went back that far in time - that specific, actual word!? (Or, is this from one of the modernized easy for the comtempory folk adapted [very specially interpreted] new word reading bibles, where they can INFER ANY DAMN THING? Otherwise, no wonder they burned all of those "witches" in Salem! Or, did they burn the folks for not being christians and then they reworded the bible now to suit this murder spree in more modern times... as OK??)

*Sorry for derail, but it surprised me reading that bible verse here... until, I thought of the newly reworded bibles while writing here. Anyone know, feel free to PM me if the word witch was "originally" stated WAY BACK...

Wildcat

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by Toughy

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in general we all need to be careful about underestimating those we so easily call idiot and ignorant........I don't think Pat or Sarah Palin or Bill O'Reilly or Pope or Rick Warren or ______ fit those definitions.......

Fine.

How's about "Crazy like a fox"?

[iamkeri1]

Unbelievable!!! (I just can't stop using that word since I am not capable of understanding the basis, origin, reason for, whatever! of these hate filled and pain inducing statements on an ongoing basis.)
Back to ... unbelievable, I heard the President of France speaking on ABC early this morning, and HE said that Haiti was cursed. He was much more sympathetic in his comments, but still the idea that he refers to Haiti as cursed creeps me out, and is victim-blaming in a very big way IMHO.

I couldn't come up with any film of this (at six in the morning it seemed to me that he had a greedy little glint in his eye when speaking of the outside intervention he is going to encourage "for" Haiti.) But hell, maybe I was imagining it, and I was suffering from lack of sleep. Anyway, here's the text. Judge for yourselves.
Smooches,
Keri

PARIS (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy called on Thursday for an international donor conference to help Haiti recover from its devastating earthquake.

Sarkozy said he would be discussing the idea with U.S. President Barack Obama, Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

"From this catastrophe, which follows so many others, we should make sure that it is a chance to get Haiti once and for all out of the curse it seems to have been stuck with for such a long time," Sarkozy told reporters.

"This new tragedy can be the last if the international community mobilises to help this country," he added.

He said France would work closely with the European Union to send "very important means" to rebuild Haiti, but did not give any specific figures.

Sarkozy said he would visit Haiti in the coming weeks to meet President Rene Preval. France would also be sending two ships to Haiti, a water treatment centre and new search teams.

France has also asked Air France, Air Caraibes and XL Airways to put on special flights to Haiti for families of victims so that they can visit the island as soon as the airport is open to civilian aircraft.

[Heart]

The Devil writes Pat Robertson a letter:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...ml?sc=fb&cc=fp