I am... and I prefer the term...

The_Lady_Snow · 05-21-2011, 04:27 PM

So what if you're gender fluid???

I'm really curious not being a jerky jerk!

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

So what if you're gender fluid???

I'm really curious not being a jerky jerk!

Could you define that term for me in the confines of this topic (I want to make sure that i understand what you are asking?) ?

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 04:34 PM

If people are finding the poll confusing, certainly it is not necessary to use.

The main purpose for me was to talk about what folks thought of the term cissexual/cissexed/cisgendered.

I hear some are ok with it and some hate it.

How about we discuss that?

(The reason I put up the poll was that I was curious to see if our identities mattered in our opinions on it. WAY less important)

greeneyedgrrl · 05-24-2011, 01:11 AM

i think this thread is a great idea...

it'll be interesting to see how ppl respond, if they can get past the poll! ;-)

i am femme and id as cisgender, i use because i see it has helping to make the invisible privileges i was born into visible, not just to other cisgendered folks, but to myself as well. i see it as a way also to challenge the idea that the dominant culture's expectations of gender expression is what is "normal" and anything outside that box is "deviant" or "other". to adapt the old hetero quote: cisgender expression isn't normal, it's just common.

The_Lady_Snow · 05-21-2011, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

Could you define that term for me in the confines of this topic (I want to make sure that i understand what you are asking?) ?

Gender overlap.

Both male and female.

Julie · 05-21-2011, 04:51 PM

Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms.

bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male

Why not the others?

The_Lady_Snow · 05-21-2011, 05:06 PM

Sorry dude, wasn't trying to make you mad, I'll bow out

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Sorry dude, wasn't trying to make you mad, I'll bow out

Not mad, but thank you.

I have no problem when questions come from a genuine place of a desire for understanding. If that is where you were coming from, then it is all good.

And certainly I have no interest in you bowing out.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 05:13 PM

Getting offline.

If others would like to use this thread they are more than welcome.

Thanks.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julie

Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms.

bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male

Why not the others?

I had to delete those because only so many tags are allowed. Since we tend to see more transsexed men at this site versus transsexed women, I figured it would be unlikely those tabs would be looked for.

I do believe I am the FIRST person to get their tags critiqued here!

Linus · 05-21-2011, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julie

Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms.

bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male

Why not the others?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

I had to delete those because only so many tags are allowed. Since we tend to see more transsexed men at this site versus transsexed women, I figured it would be unlikely those tabs would be looked for.

I do believe I am the FIRST person to get their tags critiqued here!

Technical note as well: tags (found at the bottom of the thread) are also generated based on the topic as found in the first post, IIRC.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by June

Payback's a Bitch.

*Looking over at the What do you like on your sandwich Poll*

Smirking,

June

It really, really fucking is!

Never again!

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 07:44 PM

Ok, so I realized that I left out something rather important in the OP to explain the question.

I said:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females").

It was half a sentence. The whole sentence should read:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body.

Does that help?

Linus, is it possible to add that to the first post?

Linus · 05-21-2011, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

Ok, so I realized that I left out something rather important in the OP to explain the question.

I said:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females").

It was half a sentence. The whole sentence should read:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body.

Does that help?

Linus, is it possible to add that to the first post?

Done and adjusted.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linus

Done and adjusted.

Thank you so much, Linus.

NJFemmie · 05-22-2011, 07:10 AM

I am ..... ME.

Kobi · 05-22-2011, 08:30 AM

Having read this over a few times, I am still confused as to what it is asking.

I am a lesbian who prefers to be called a woman.

I prefer to call others male or female cuz it is simplier.

The only time I tend to want to break it down further is if I am interested
in dating someone.

Is that in one of the poll choices?

DapperButch · 05-22-2011, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kobi

Having read this over a few times, I am still confused as to what it is asking.

I am a lesbian who prefers to be called a woman.

I prefer to call others male or female cuz it is simplier.

The only time I tend to want to break it down further is if I am interested
in dating someone.

Is that in one of the poll choices?

Hi, Kobi.

The poll is asking

1) how you define

2) what you prefer to call people who are non trans. non trans meaning a person who is born into the correct body. Those people would fit the definition of the term cissexed and the other choices given.

There has been a push from the transsexed/transsexual/trans community to use the term cissexed. There has been some push back from non trans people. I am wondering people's preferences.

Sparkle · 05-22-2011, 08:58 AM

I think that one of the privileges I experience as a Femme, who has never had conflict with the gender characteristics I was born with, is that I haven't had to give this issue much thought.

I simply have no preference, outside of conversations on here or very specific conversations about gender/gender identity/societal expectations etc. with friends, there is no reason for me to refer to my gender identity as cis, bio or XX.

I wonder... as we continue to explore gender identity and particularly as we push the conversation further in to the mainstream - perhaps (???) we should be on the same page with the terminology that we use when discussing Trans issues, with the realization that discussing the Trans experience may require we compare and contrast it to the __(cis/bio/XX)__ experience.

Should we?

Thanks Dapper, your poll has made me examine my privilege.

I still don't have a preference for one term over another, none feel *right* to me ... but perhaps I should really think about how best to articulate the concept.

Kobi · 05-22-2011, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

Hi, Kobi.

The poll is asking

1) how you define

2) what you prefer to call people who are non trans. non trans meaning a person who is born into the correct body. Those people would fit the definition of the term cissexed and the other choices given.

There has been a push from the transsexed/transsexual/trans community to use the term cissexed. There has been some push back from non trans people. I am wondering people's preferences.

Hi Dapper,

Maybe my confusion is my choice isnt listed.

I define as female/woman and I prefer to refer to others as male/man or female/woman minus the clarification of how one got there.

View Poll Results: I am a _____ and I prefer the term ______
Femme and I prefer the term cissexed	11	16.67%
Femme and I prefer the terms XY Male / XX Female	2	3.03%
Femme and I prefer the terms Bio Male/ Bio Female	20	30.30%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the term cissexed	2	3.03%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the terms XY Male/XX Female	1	1.52%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the terms Bio Male/Bio Female	5	7.58%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the term cissexed	2	3.03%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	3	4.55%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	5	7.58%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the term transsexed	0	0%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	0	0%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	2	3.03%
Transsexed person ON hormones and prefer the term cissexed	1	1.52%
Transsexed person ON hormones and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	3	4.55%
Transsexed person ON hormones and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	5	7.58%
Transsexed person NOT on hormones and I prefer the term cissexed	1	1.52%
Transsexed person NOT on hormones and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	0	0%
Transsexed person NOT on hormone and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	3	4.55%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

05-21-2011, 04:27 PM	#1
The_Lady_Snow MILLION $$$ PUSSY How Do You Identify?: Kinky, Raw, Perverted, Uber Queer Alpha Femme Preferred Pronoun?: Iconic Ms. Relationship Status: Keeper of 3, only one has the map to my freckles Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: La Reina del Sur Posts: 22,488 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 32,231 Thanked 80,081 Times in 15,669 Posts Rep Power: 21474874	So what if you're gender fluid??? I'm really curious not being a jerky jerk! __________________ "If you’re going to play these dirty games of ours, then you might as well indulge completely. It’s all about turning back into an animal and that’s the beauty of it. Place your guilt on the sidewalk and take a blow torch to it (guilt is usually worthless anyway). Be perverted, be filthy, do things that mannered people shouldn’t do. If you’re going to be gross then go for it and don’t wimp out."---Master Aiden

05-21-2011, 04:34 PM	#3
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,814 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	If people are finding the poll confusing, certainly it is not necessary to use. The main purpose for me was to talk about what folks thought of the term cissexual/cissexed/cisgendered. I hear some are ok with it and some hate it. How about we discuss that? (The reason I put up the poll was that I was curious to see if our identities mattered in our opinions on it. WAY less important) __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

05-21-2011, 04:51 PM	#6
Julie Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Angel * Femme * Lesbian * Girl * Woman * Slut * Bitch * Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: No longer a Virgin Bride to Dreamer ~ May 17th, 2014 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New York Posts: 4,674 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 17,676 Thanked 18,160 Times in 3,633 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms. bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male Why not the others? __________________ “Sometimes only one person is missing and the whole world seems depopulated.” ~ Alphonse de Lamartine - 1790-1869 http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps4d9fb6c0.jpg I Love You ~ I Love Us May 17, 2014

05-21-2011, 05:06 PM	#7
The_Lady_Snow MILLION $$$ PUSSY How Do You Identify?: Kinky, Raw, Perverted, Uber Queer Alpha Femme Preferred Pronoun?: Iconic Ms. Relationship Status: Keeper of 3, only one has the map to my freckles Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: La Reina del Sur Posts: 22,488 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 32,231 Thanked 80,081 Times in 15,669 Posts Rep Power: 21474874	Sorry dude, wasn't trying to make you mad, I'll bow out __________________ "If you’re going to play these dirty games of ours, then you might as well indulge completely. It’s all about turning back into an animal and that’s the beauty of it. Place your guilt on the sidewalk and take a blow torch to it (guilt is usually worthless anyway). Be perverted, be filthy, do things that mannered people shouldn’t do. If you’re going to be gross then go for it and don’t wimp out."---Master Aiden

05-24-2011, 01:11 AM	#4
greeneyedgrrl Member How Do You Identify?: femme/queer Preferred Pronoun?: she/her Join Date: May 2011 Location: cali Posts: 1,484 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 7,932 Thanked 3,266 Times in 835 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	i think this thread is a great idea... it'll be interesting to see how ppl respond, if they can get past the poll! ;-) i am femme and id as cisgender, i use because i see it has helping to make the invisible privileges i was born into visible, not just to other cisgendered folks, but to myself as well. i see it as a way also to challenge the idea that the dominant culture's expectations of gender expression is what is "normal" and anything outside that box is "deviant" or "other". to adapt the old hetero quote: cisgender expression isn't normal, it's just common.

05-21-2011, 05:13 PM	#9
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,814 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	Getting offline. If others would like to use this thread they are more than welcome. Thanks. __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

05-21-2011, 07:44 PM	#13
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,814 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	Ok, so I realized that I left out something rather important in the OP to explain the question. I said: I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females"). It was half a sentence. The whole sentence should read: I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body. Does that help? Linus, is it possible to add that to the first post? __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

05-22-2011, 07:10 AM	#16
NJFemmie Senior Member How Do You Identify?: The original lime-twisted femme Preferred Pronoun?: I answer to most things, especially lesbian. Relationship Status: Still loving my Mare ;) Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,683 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,343 Thanked 11,420 Times in 2,976 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	I am ..... ME. __________________

05-22-2011, 08:30 AM	#17
Kobi Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Biological female. Lesbian. Relationship Status: Happy Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Hanging out in the Atlantic. Posts: 9,234 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,840 Thanked 34,635 Times in 7,642 Posts Rep Power: 21474861	Having read this over a few times, I am still confused as to what it is asking. I am a lesbian who prefers to be called a woman. I prefer to call others male or female cuz it is simplier. The only time I tend to want to break it down further is if I am interested in dating someone. Is that in one of the poll choices? __________________

05-22-2011, 08:58 AM	#19
Sparkle Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: She, please Relationship Status: Loved Up Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Western MA Posts: 2,183 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,001 Thanked 6,555 Times in 1,553 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	I think that one of the privileges I experience as a Femme, who has never had conflict with the gender characteristics I was born with, is that I haven't had to give this issue much thought. I simply have no preference, outside of conversations on here or very specific conversations about gender/gender identity/societal expectations etc. with friends, there is no reason for me to refer to my gender identity as cis, bio or XX. I wonder... as we continue to explore gender identity and particularly as we push the conversation further in to the mainstream - perhaps (???) we should be on the same page with the terminology that we use when discussing Trans issues, with the realization that discussing the Trans experience may require we compare and contrast it to the __(cis/bio/XX)__ experience. Should we? Thanks Dapper, your poll has made me examine my privilege. I still don't have a preference for one term over another, none feel right to me ... but perhaps I should really think about how best to articulate the concept. __________________ I am made of stars