"Sissy Boy Syndrome"

[JustJo]

Originally Posted by Matthew

How in the hell, pardon My language, do you call this young man a "success story" when he committed suicide?

The same way you rationalize hiring a gay male escort to "carry your bags", then carry your own bags and deny there was anything going on.

Unfortunately, people like this cause incredible damage and irreparable harm to others in the process.

My heart aches for Kaytee Murphy, who (it sounds like) thought she was helping her child by getting him "help" from the "experts."

[Leigh]

Originally Posted by JustJo

The same way you rationalize hiring a gay male escort to "carry your bags", then carry your own bags and deny there was anything going on.

Unfortunately, people like this cause incredible damage and irreparable harm to others in the process.

My heart aches for Kaytee Murphy, who (it sounds like) thought she was helping her child by getting him "help" from the "experts."

Yeah it amazes Me how some things like that can be rationalized

[suebee]

The religious right has a habit of justifying whatever they say about us/do to us in the name of God, usually invoking the Bible without any real understanding of it. The only difference is that a doctoral student provided scientific "proof" - that amounts to nothing short of torturing a young child, IMO.

[suebee]

I found this interesting page, listing different viewpoints of sexual orientation, different types of therapies, and other information. The group itself is made up of representatives from different religious affiliations (agnostic, athiest, Christian, Wiccan, and Zen Buddist ) and the site itself is also very interesting.

They list the two main types of therapy aimed at homosexuals as:

Mental health therapies directed at homosexuals:

The two main types of therapy or counseling directed at gays and lesbians -- and to a lesser degree, bisexuals:

Gay Affirmative Therapy (GAT) directed at helping gays and lesbians become content with their sexual orientation; we will only discuss this briefly.

Reparative therapy (a.k.a. Conversion Therapy) or Transformational Ministry programs often imply that they can change a gay's or lesbian's sexual orientation. However, their programs are actually directed at changing clients' sexual behavior. Almost all of the essays in this section discuss these two programs.

Check it out!

Sue

[Camo Eagle]

Originally Posted by Jess

I agree Sue.

Maybe it's just my take on words, but by the very title of their work being focused on "unwanted homosexuality", I assume they mean it is not an active choice homosexuals make. I liken the phrase to "unwanted hair growth". For me, it ( my sexual orientation) has always been there. It wasn't something that was trendy or experimental or was arrived at from playing with trucks. For me, what gives anyone the right to try to "remove" something that God obviously wanted me to have? ( Not that I am an overly religious person, however, it goes to their argument that homosexuality is against the laws of God).

Thanks Sue for alerting us to this program. I DVRd and watched today. Was disappointed that I missed the 2nd half because I didnt set DVR for both nights. But I did hear about the outcome.
It made me physically ill. I have heard about these studies, but seeing it made me angry. I dont even have any real comments at this time.

Jess, I always hated that boy vs girl toy thing. Wonder what it says when a little girl plays with her Barbies, and the boy plays GI Joe, but they both grow up Gay? And curse of curses, they dont LOOK gay either. LMAO

[Andrew, Jr.]

This show reminded me of Dr. John Diamond and others at Johns Hopkins Sexual Behaviors Consultation Unit. Very anti-ftm/mtf. In the words of Mrs. Lynn Conway and Andrea James they are the "gatekeepers" in the medical community. Very sad. They hurt so many people. I know first hand what they did to me.

[*Anya*]

Originally Posted by Camo Eagle

Thanks Sue for alerting us to this program. I DVRd and watched today. Was disappointed that I missed the 2nd half because I didnt set DVR for both nights. But I did hear about the outcome.
It made me physically ill. I have heard about these studies, but seeing it made me angry. I dont even have any real comments at this time.

Jess, I always hated that boy vs girl toy thing. Wonder what it says when a little girl plays with her Barbies, and the boy plays GI Joe, but they both grow up Gay? And curse of curses, they dont LOOK gay either. LMAO

It is disgusting that they always want to cure of us something that is a part of our body and soul. On YouTube, John Barrowman of Torchwood, did a 6-7 part series, probably shown in the UK but never in the US, of course, on his search to find out why he was
gay. He came to the US, went to universities actually doing scientific studies, interviewed parents that knew from the time their kids were wee tots that they were gay & were accepting of it. One family had twin boys. One twin was all butch & the other played with Barbies from the time he was tiny. It is worth watching if you have not seen it. It is called John Barrowman: The Making of Me.

[ScandalAndy]

Originally Posted by JustJo

The same way you rationalize hiring a gay male escort to "carry your bags", then carry your own bags and deny there was anything going on.

Unfortunately, people like this cause incredible damage and irreparable harm to others in the process.

My heart aches for Kaytee Murphy, who (it sounds like) thought she was helping her child by getting him "help" from the "experts."

While i do partially agree with this, (clearly she regrets her decision) I was taken aback by her statement of it in the interview. She is clearly struggling not to make the statement that she believes that "normal" equates to "heterosexual" and she believed her son's actions were an indicator that he was "abnormal".

[JustJo]

Originally Posted by ScandalAndy

While i do partially agree with this, (clearly she regrets her decision) I was taken aback by her statement of it in the interview. She is clearly struggling not to make the statement that she believes that "normal" equates to "heterosexual" and she believed her son's actions were an indicator that he was "abnormal".

I agree. Unfortunately, a lot of people feel that way...even about their own children. I know my mother does.

[ScandalAndy]

Originally Posted by JustJo

I agree. Unfortunately, a lot of people feel that way...even about their own children. I know my mother does.

My heart goes out to you. My family rejected me for a number of years for the same reasons. I have been fortunate in that I am now on speaking terms with my father, and my mother and i are more or less friendly. I am able to be close with my family as long as they never see or hear of my "lifestyle choice". That is the sacrifice I choose to make to keep them in my life.

I am appalled that a parent would go so far as to condone the "chip system" and beatings as negative reinforcement for what is clearly non-threatening behavior. The child was no danger to himself or others, so i'm not sure why this particular researcher thought that physical abuse was a necessary and acceptable treatment method, and i cannot believe the father and mother participated willingly without questioning it!