Casey Anthony - guilty, or not?

[Blade]

I am still in shock. I agree with Snow, if this were a dog the verdict would be different. I bet she walks free Thursday. In my state when you are sentenced, especially for a non violent offense, they give you 2 for 1 on time served in the local jail. Say if you get a 2 yr sentence it is suspended for time served and you might get some probation or community service.

She could be a millionaire Monday. Books, movies, talk shows. WOW! I'm stunned stunned stunned! I can't believe they didn't even get a lesser charge concerning the murder 1 charge.

[purepisces]

Originally Posted by Blade

I am still in shock. I agree with Snow, if this were a dog the verdict would be different. I bet she walks free Thursday. In my state when you are sentenced, especially for a non violent offense, they give you 2 for 1 on time served in the local jail. Say if you get a 2 yr sentence it is suspended for time served and you might get some probation or community service.

She could be a millionaire Monday. Books, movies, talk shows. WOW! I'm stunned stunned stunned! I can't believe they didn't even get a lesser charge concerning the murder 1 charge.

I don't want to get too off track of the topic of this thread, but from what I know about this case and the Vick case, they had quite a bit more "hard" evidence to convict in the Vick case

In my opinion, the jury has to suspect that Casey is guilty of something, but all of the prosecution evidence was circumstantial. No one saw her dispose of the body, no physical (DNA) was found linking her to the crime.

If they could have found her guilty of being an unfeeling, horrible mother, I'm sure they would have, but, sadly, that is not against the law.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Blade

I am still in shock. I agree with Snow, if this were a dog the verdict would be different. I bet she walks free Thursday. In my state when you are sentenced, especially for a non violent offense, they give you 2 for 1 on time served in the local jail. Say if you get a 2 yr sentence it is suspended for time served and you might get some probation or community service.

She could be a millionaire Monday. Books, movies, talk shows. WOW! I'm stunned stunned stunned! I can't believe they didn't even get a lesser charge concerning the murder 1 charge.

Yeah- on everything you say. I thought it very possible for a second degree verdict to come in or even manslaughter.

I am very interested in the instructions the judge gave the jury. I think "reasonable doubt" is the reason for the verdict in the main, but I do see race entering in.

I have to find info on the racial break-down of the jury. Am i correct in assuming that the trial is set in a upper-middle class, white jurisdiction? Florida has pockets of quite wealthy populations and pockets of very, very poor populations.

A book will be out soon, no doubt and she is going to become a rich person. What I am having so much trouble with is what Snow brings up- this was the murder of a 2 year old!! All the buzz has become about Casey and her dysfunctional family.

Yes, looking at this and comparing it to Vick's case and sentence makes me nuts (I agreed with his having jail time, however).

Having served on a jury in a criminal case (long time ago)- I have to say that there is so much the jury is not exposed to during a trial and it is charged to determine a verdict based upon the law as instructed by the judge. Reasonable doubt is a potent interpretation. I bet we hear a lot about each of these factors as coverage unfolds.

I keep thinking about how the hell do we do something to change the media racial (insert class, plus) bias with these cases as well as investigations being done with the same bias. Happens all the time.

[scootebaby]

actually the jury pool was put together from across the state in pinellas county...somehow they managed to get a wide array of people instead of the older,retired,military type that tend to live in that part---this is according to the news stuff i heard


so let me ask so i can be clear...are people saying she got off bc of upper,middle classs white ppl on the jury(since the jury didnt come from Orange County)..or that the whites outweighed the black and hispanic on the jury or what.....im truly interested in how race is being brought into it.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by scootebaby

actually the jury pool was put together from across the state in pinellas county...somehow they managed to get a wide array of people instead of the older,retired,military type that tend to live in that part---this is according to the news stuff i heard


so let me ask so i can be clear...are people saying she got off bc of upper,middle classs white ppl on the jury(since the jury didnt come from Orange County)..or that the whites outweighed the black and hispanic on the jury or what.....im truly interested in how race is being brought into it.

Race ALWAYS plays into it, as does money, privilege. I honestly feel had this been a WOC we would not see this much coverage and she would of been found guilty guilty guilty.

How often do you see kids of color this highly publicized, look at the little Latina girl killed by the minute men in Arizona.

No one wept for her, all children should have value.

[Novelafemme]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Race ALWAYS plays into it, as does money, privilege. I honestly feel had this been a WOC we would not see this much coverage and she would of been found guilty guilty guilty.

How often do you see kids of color this highly publicized, look at the little Latina girl killed by the minute men in Arizona.

No one wept for her, all children should have value.

The Lady Snow, are you referring to the little girl and her father who were recently killed?

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Novelafemme

The Lady Snow, are you referring to the little girl and her father who were recently killed?

Yes Ma'am... They thought it was a house full of undocumented people. Her name is BRISENIA FLORES, they were found guilty but the case was not highly publicized, her Papi was also killed his name is Raul Junior Flores.

[Novelafemme]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Yes Ma'am... They thought it was a house full of undocumented people. Her name is BRISENIA FLORES, they were found guilty but the case was not highly publicized, her Papi was also killed his name is Raul Junior Flores.

There wasn't a lot of national attention focused on this incident, but there sure was here in Tucson. I participated in a local candle light vigil and I know there were many demonstrations that took place over the weeks following their murders. The woman in charge of the killings had clear mental health issues. The whole thing upsets me to no end.

[AtLast]

Juror: Casey Anthony verdict was the right one
Prosecution failed to prove murder beyond reasonable doubt, alternate juror says, but admits questions remain unanswered


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43651613...me_and_courts/

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One thing that strikes me with this man's thoughts is about "no motive" being presented by the prosecution. Motive is NOT required to be supplied by the prosecution to prove guilt. Yet, so many jury verdicts hang on motive. Big mistake not to address motive in cases, I think even when it isn't necessary. Most people want to know the "Why?".

[AtLast]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,469964.story

[scootebaby]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Race ALWAYS plays into it, as does money, privilege. I honestly feel had this been a WOC we would not see this much coverage and she would of been found guilty guilty guilty.

How often do you see kids of color this highly publicized, look at the little Latina girl killed by the minute men in Arizona.

No one wept for her, all children should have value.

Snow..i hope you dont mind that i address this post and you personally. i just think i could understand your explanation better than a lot of others.

Perhaps its my white privilege coming into play bc i dont see it...i mean if race is ALWAYS a part of it would you (general) say that race played a part in OJ getting off? Scott Peterson was white and was convicted by a predominantly white jury...

i truly wanna see what others see as far as the race thing goes,but im having a hard time bc ive seen it goes both ways...again that might just be my white privilege and upbringing

Sadly i did not hear about the latina girl....

i will admit it is sad that more attention is not given to all kids whom have been harmed or killed--regardless of race....

as for the % i would/will do some research and see how it varies


thanks in advance!

[scootebaby]

new post to add i forgot Snow had said money and privilege as well so i understand the OJ thing..

[nowandthen]

Originally Posted by scootebaby

Snow..i hope you dont mind that i address this post and you personally. i just think i could understand your explanation better than a lot of others.

Perhaps its my white privilege coming into play bc i dont see it...i mean if race is ALWAYS a part of it would you (general) say that race played a part in OJ getting off? Scott Peterson was white and was convicted by a predominantly white jury...

i truly wanna see what others see as far as the race thing goes,but im having a hard time bc ive seen it goes both ways...again that might just be my white privilege and upbringing

Sadly i did not hear about the latina girl....

i will admit it is sad that more attention is not given to all kids whom have been harmed or killed--regardless of race....

as for the % i would/will do some research and see how it varies


thanks in advance!

The question of race is Always a issue. Oscar Grant! The question you might asks yourself is the same question you asked Snow. Find the answer by doing research, read books, go to events the talk about the race. A good book to start with is, "THE NEW JIM CROW" by Michelle Alexandar. She breaks it down in a way that folks get it. This case would not have been in the media if the players were folks of color.How do I know this? history.