Casey Anthony - guilty, or not?

girl_dee · 07-06-2011, 05:09 AM

Hell I'm outraged and angry! It's very hard not to wish the same fate to the murderer, tenfold. I am not there yet. I may never get there. I want this woman to suffer.

Fuck the reverent manner in which we speak about this. We are respectful to each other and without being told to do so.

This bitch killed her beautiful innocent baby. NO one should get away with that no matter what !

girl_dee · 07-06-2011, 05:10 AM

The jury did not say she is not a murderer, they said it wasn't proven.

always2late · 07-06-2011, 06:16 AM

The fact is that "we" (the public) saw more evidence than the jury did. Things that may be judged inadmissible in court are still allowed in the public forum. It is based on those facts that I have formed the OPINION that Caylee's mother is guilty of her murder. And, as such, I am outraged that she is free.

I am sickened that a beautiful little girl is dead. I am saddened that a child never had the chance to live or reach her full potential, whatever that may have been. And it breaks my heart that in ten years when Caylee would have been 15, most people will have forgotten that she even existed at all. I believe her mother is the one responsible for removing her from existence. I think that the only logical response to what I perceive to be true IS outrage. But, of course, that is MY opinion.

NJFemmie · 07-06-2011, 07:12 AM

It's part of human nature to try and make sense of irrational actions. The bottom line truly is that a beautiful little girl is dead and her death is shrouded in mystery and foul play. As a mother, whether it was an accident or not, there is responsibility as a parent. I'm not saying that George may or may not have had anything to do with this .... that in itself is it's own ugly web of lies. But lying to the police, IMO, was not enough for Casey. Covering up an accidental death is also a crime.

Unfortunately, everything is and always has been speculation, and all I can say is Casey dodged a bullet - she showed more emotion when she was found not guilty than she did when she was accused of killing her daughter or during the whole time her daughter was "missing". Her attorney - just got lucky.

NJFemmie · 07-06-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sassy_girl

The jury did not say she is not a murderer, they said it wasn't proven.

You are correct. I should have been more precise and said the jury acquitted her of murder.

girl_dee · 07-06-2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NJFemmie

You are correct. I should have been more precise and said the jury acquitted her of murder.

I'm sorry, I was not correcting you, I just want to point out that even if every jury member felt she was guilty, they also felt they could not convict without more evidence.

NJFemmie · 07-06-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sassy_girl

I'm sorry, I was not correcting you, I just want to point out that even if every jury member felt she was guilty, they also felt they could not convict without more evidence.

Ain't no thing

I should have been more precise - I am sure there are jurors who do think she was guilty, but had to make their decision based on evidence (or rather, lack thereof).

girl_dee · 07-06-2011, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NJFemmie

Ain't no thing

I should have been more precise - I am sure there are jurors who do think she was guilty, but had to make their decision based on evidence (or rather, lack thereof).

Yup and that must be one hard thing to do, grrrrr.

NJFemmie · 07-06-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sassy_girl

Yup and that must be one hard thing to do, grrrrr.

.... agreed.

Melissa · 07-06-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sassy_girl

I'm sorry, I was not correcting you, I just want to point out that even if every jury member felt she was guilty, they also felt they could not convict without more evidence.

I think so too. Something or someone led to her death. But the who and the how were never proven. It could have been a premeditated murder or an accident and then a panicked response from the mother or grandparents, even. Someone did something and there are one or more guilty people, but no evidence to say who.

It seems the whole family had an issue with the truth, not just Casey. It was all very muddy. I watched some of the CNN coverage and most of the defense closing and all I could think was, God, I would not want to be on that jury because I could not see any other verdict but not guilty. And its not because she is not guilty, its because no evidence was found. She's a liar, she's messed up, and she seems to be disconnected from reality. she's probably responsible for the death of her child, but its all about the probably. And there are plenty of lying, messed up, disconnected from reality mothers who don't kill their children or even physically abuse them.

Melissa

suebee · 07-06-2011, 09:49 AM

I haven't been following this case. After my years in child protection I deliberately don't follow cases like this. But - from what is being posted here my thoughts are as follows: 1) The jury only had what was presented to them to work with, and that, within the confines of the law. I can only assume they did the best they could with what they had. 2) I have got to say that as imperfect as the system is I'd rather see a guilty person go free than an innocent one spend their life in jail or worse. I try to keep in mind that there are OTHER ways that the unconvicted guilty ones pay for their crimes. 3) I can only hope that the prosecution went to trial having presented the best case possible rather than rushing to trial with a weak case because of public pressure. Sometimes the evidence needed to convict just isn't there. Let's hope that's the case here. 4) This leaves me wondering if there was/is any other way to make the mother accountable for her actions or to prevent further tragedies involving this woman. While the criminal justice system has a "beyond reasonable doubt" burden of proof, child protection laws usually have a lesser standard - usually more like if there IS reasonable doubt that the safety of the child is at risk.

I can only hope that if Kaylee ever has another earthly life to live, that she will be loved and doted on beyond her wildest imagination. I'm sorry for what happened to you little princess.

Sue

RavynTuqiri · 07-06-2011, 10:30 AM

...I know this is going to go against popular belief but I think the jury actually made the right decision. Remember that what we see through news media isn't always presented in court (or allowed to be presented). I have watched the trial proceedings off and on and if I were on the jury, I would be significantly torn between "feeling" she was guilty by her actions (before, during and after Caylee's disappearance and body being found), and having enough evidence to "think" beyond a reasonable doubt that she was guilty.

The coroner's report listed cause of death as homicide solely on the premise that duct tape was found over the mouth but could not determine forensically how that homicide had been carried out. There was no physical evidence to tie anyone within the family to any homicide.

As much of an injustice this is for little Caylee...I do believe that the jury made the right decision give the facts they had to deal with. The only thing proven beyond any reasonable doubt was that Casey lies. Being a liar doesn't inherently make one a murderer.

And I don't see how race plays into this or the OJ case. Wealth played into the OJ case. He bought the best damn defense team money could buy. He got what he paid for.

Casey didn't have the best defense team...she was lucky the state could only garner the evidence it did. For as horrific this case was, they (the prosecution) should have deferred charges until they had a more solid case.

Now with all that said...do I feel like Casey is guilty? Yes. Of pre-meditated murder? Not so sure on that one....but feel she did cause her daughter's death, accidental or not.

What I do find perplexing is that this case has grabbed headline news worldwide and others, like Christian Choate from Gary, Ind...has had very little:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_884731.html

I think her and the Anthony family grabbed headlines because of their social status...not because her crime was unique (unfortunately) or overly atrocious as some child abuse / parent-child homicide cases are.

07-06-2011, 05:09 AM	#1
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07-06-2011, 06:16 AM	#3
always2late Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: m'lady Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 2,000 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,834 Thanked 6,231 Times in 1,462 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	The fact is that "we" (the public) saw more evidence than the jury did. Things that may be judged inadmissible in court are still allowed in the public forum. It is based on those facts that I have formed the OPINION that Caylee's mother is guilty of her murder. And, as such, I am outraged that she is free. I am sickened that a beautiful little girl is dead. I am saddened that a child never had the chance to live or reach her full potential, whatever that may have been. And it breaks my heart that in ten years when Caylee would have been 15, most people will have forgotten that she even existed at all. I believe her mother is the one responsible for removing her from existence. I think that the only logical response to what I perceive to be true IS outrage. But, of course, that is MY opinion. __________________ Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there ~ Rumi

07-06-2011, 07:12 AM	#4
NJFemmie Senior Member How Do You Identify?: The original lime-twisted femme Preferred Pronoun?: I answer to most things, especially lesbian. Relationship Status: Still loving my Mare ;) Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,683 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,343 Thanked 11,419 Times in 2,976 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	It's part of human nature to try and make sense of irrational actions. The bottom line truly is that a beautiful little girl is dead and her death is shrouded in mystery and foul play. As a mother, whether it was an accident or not, there is responsibility as a parent. I'm not saying that George may or may not have had anything to do with this .... that in itself is it's own ugly web of lies. But lying to the police, IMO, was not enough for Casey. Covering up an accidental death is also a crime. Unfortunately, everything is and always has been speculation, and all I can say is Casey dodged a bullet - she showed more emotion when she was found not guilty than she did when she was accused of killing her daughter or during the whole time her daughter was "missing". Her attorney - just got lucky. __________________

07-06-2011, 09:49 AM	#11
suebee Member How Do You Identify?: TOWANDA! Preferred Pronoun?: Queen Bee Relationship Status: Good 'n married. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Eastern Canada. But if I make a wrong turn at the lights I get stopped by a border guard. Posts: 1,499 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,355 Thanked 2,756 Times in 820 Posts Rep Power: 16450092	I haven't been following this case. After my years in child protection I deliberately don't follow cases like this. But - from what is being posted here my thoughts are as follows: 1) The jury only had what was presented to them to work with, and that, within the confines of the law. I can only assume they did the best they could with what they had. 2) I have got to say that as imperfect as the system is I'd rather see a guilty person go free than an innocent one spend their life in jail or worse. I try to keep in mind that there are OTHER ways that the unconvicted guilty ones pay for their crimes. 3) I can only hope that the prosecution went to trial having presented the best case possible rather than rushing to trial with a weak case because of public pressure. Sometimes the evidence needed to convict just isn't there. Let's hope that's the case here. 4) This leaves me wondering if there was/is any other way to make the mother accountable for her actions or to prevent further tragedies involving this woman. While the criminal justice system has a "beyond reasonable doubt" burden of proof, child protection laws usually have a lesser standard - usually more like if there IS reasonable doubt that the safety of the child is at risk. I can only hope that if Kaylee ever has another earthly life to live, that she will be loved and doted on beyond her wildest imagination. I'm sorry for what happened to you little princess. Sue __________________ "Compassion, in which all ethics must take root, can only attain its full breadth and depth if it embraces all living creatures and does not limit itself to mankind." -Albert Schweitzer

07-06-2011, 05:10 AM	#2
girl_dee Practically Lives Here How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: dee Relationship Status: Hitched up Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Livin’ the Dream Posts: 24,079 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 30,560 Thanked 54,830 Times in 13,908 Posts Rep Power: 21474873	The jury did not say she is not a murderer, they said it wasn't proven.

07-06-2011, 10:30 AM	#12
RavynTuqiri Member How Do You Identify?: Butch/Boi Preferred Pronoun?: Anything but it... Relationship Status: Hide n go Seek Join Date: May 2010 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 123 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 338 Thanked 223 Times in 74 Posts Rep Power: 1464163	...I know this is going to go against popular belief but I think the jury actually made the right decision. Remember that what we see through news media isn't always presented in court (or allowed to be presented). I have watched the trial proceedings off and on and if I were on the jury, I would be significantly torn between "feeling" she was guilty by her actions (before, during and after Caylee's disappearance and body being found), and having enough evidence to "think" beyond a reasonable doubt that she was guilty. The coroner's report listed cause of death as homicide solely on the premise that duct tape was found over the mouth but could not determine forensically how that homicide had been carried out. There was no physical evidence to tie anyone within the family to any homicide. As much of an injustice this is for little Caylee...I do believe that the jury made the right decision give the facts they had to deal with. The only thing proven beyond any reasonable doubt was that Casey lies. Being a liar doesn't inherently make one a murderer. And I don't see how race plays into this or the OJ case. Wealth played into the OJ case. He bought the best damn defense team money could buy. He got what he paid for. Casey didn't have the best defense team...she was lucky the state could only garner the evidence it did. For as horrific this case was, they (the prosecution) should have deferred charges until they had a more solid case. Now with all that said...do I feel like Casey is guilty? Yes. Of pre-meditated murder? Not so sure on that one....but feel she did cause her daughter's death, accidental or not. What I do find perplexing is that this case has grabbed headline news worldwide and others, like Christian Choate from Gary, Ind...has had very little: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_884731.html I think her and the Anthony family grabbed headlines because of their social status...not because her crime was unique (unfortunately) or overly atrocious as some child abuse / parent-child homicide cases are.