Here come the lesbians, here come the leaping lesbians...

Jett · 07-29-2011, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by from BV site

"Is BUTCH Voices trying to tell me how I identify, what if I am BUTCH and not Masculine of Center?
(answer)-No, BUTCH Voices affirms the ability for each person to self-identify in a way that fits them best. When BUTCH Voices uses the term Masculine of Center (MoC) the intention is to quickly and succinctly summarize who we are at large. For many in our community, the label BUTCH is not inclusive, but we all unite at our 2nd National Conference under the big BUTCH Voices tent, because of our shared experiences."

If Butch wasn't good enough to "quickly and succinctly summarize who we are" why the hell is it called butchvoices? And what makes "masculine of center" any kind of a better summary especially for women ID Female ID Butches, a lot of Tomboys and the like... or even flamer butches etc etc etc etc etc etc.....? My Dad on the other hand might enjoy the conference, since he'd fit the bill "masculine of center" I'd think better than tons butches for crap sake...

I mean hmmm, duh, it fit a few better who had the ability to change it... I mean seriously, c'mon. Seems like a personal issue of a few that's been thrust upon everyone else... and who loses... the same ppl who've been losing all along.

Sry for jumping in out of nowhere and blahing all over the place but damn, pisses me off... :/

BullDog · 07-29-2011, 05:18 PM

I know right Metro.

Not to mention saying that butch is not inclusive and then saying they are going to unite under the big butch tent doesn't make any sense to me. Isn't their big tent Masculine of Center?

BullDog · 07-29-2011, 06:52 PM

Well, there's a letter posted from Joe today:

http://www.butchvoices.com/letter-from-founder

In my opinion they aren't listening. They've chosen an umbrella term that may not fit everyone, but they think this is the best way to move forward. According to him, the reason people have left is due to personality conflicts or because the work is exhausting, and that butch women and female identified butches have always been a part of Butch Voices.

My opinion: they weren't listening 2 years ago. They aren't listening now. You are welcome as a butch woman or female identified butch if you accept their terms and the way they run things. Same for anyone else under the "Butch Voices Umbrella."

Dude · 07-29-2011, 06:53 PM

I am glad some of this is getting discussed.

I ,as a butch have no idea what it's like to be a femme who looks
straight out in mainstream so I liken it to being seen as a straight man
by the general public at Lowe's for example.Where I currently work.
I dont want to be a straight man.
Who I am is the first butch (woman)
ever to work in assembly. Or back in my 20's, the first butch (woman)
to be hired as a groundskeeper for a school district. Every job I have ever
had has been in a male dominated field.
I want to be seen.
This is me. I am a butch. This has always been me.

In a thread about a month ago someone described butch -as a stopping point.
Really? really.
To what?
The ultimate male? huh?
I have the correct amount of T for me,already.

This is hard for me because I sit on the fence somewhere between tg and butch.
Best way I can think to describe it.
Male pronouns feel like they fit easier than she's and her's but I cant take that
too far as to not live in the reality that I am indeed having a case of
raging butch menopause.

I stopped correcting people because it became the majority who see me as "Sir".
The people that do >see< me for me, are very appreciated.

Femme's who are into butch's have always been the one's to make me feel
accepted and ok just how I am.
I appreciate you femme's who are here saying butch's are still ok.
I'm old ,I'm a butch and I think it's much more than just a stopping place.

Dude · 07-30-2011, 08:24 AM

How weird is this ,to (now) feel like a minority
in a place that has butch in the title.

I am grateful it is there for sure but the lean
or shifting to all things male is fairly significant
based upon the support (or lack of it ) in this thread.

Can we be allies without being squashed out at a later
date when we arent quite as needed?
I fucking hope so.
To me it feels competitive almost.

I wish I had a better way to explain it.

07-29-2011, 05:18 PM	#2
BullDog Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Dominant Stone Butch Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: She Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In A Healing Place Posts: 5,371 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 18,160 Thanked 22,637 Times in 4,462 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	I know right Metro. Not to mention saying that butch is not inclusive and then saying they are going to unite under the big butch tent doesn't make any sense to me. Isn't their big tent Masculine of Center? __________________ Love consists in this, that two solitudes protect and touch and greet each other. - Rainer Maria Rilke

07-29-2011, 06:52 PM	#3
BullDog Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Dominant Stone Butch Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: She Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In A Healing Place Posts: 5,371 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 18,160 Thanked 22,637 Times in 4,462 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	Well, there's a letter posted from Joe today: http://www.butchvoices.com/letter-from-founder In my opinion they aren't listening. They've chosen an umbrella term that may not fit everyone, but they think this is the best way to move forward. According to him, the reason people have left is due to personality conflicts or because the work is exhausting, and that butch women and female identified butches have always been a part of Butch Voices. My opinion: they weren't listening 2 years ago. They aren't listening now. You are welcome as a butch woman or female identified butch if you accept their terms and the way they run things. Same for anyone else under the "Butch Voices Umbrella." __________________ Love consists in this, that two solitudes protect and touch and greet each other. - Rainer Maria Rilke

07-29-2011, 06:53 PM	#4
Dude Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Relationship Status: Perusing Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: exit 5 with an exit 21 goal Posts: 1,725 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 15,351 Thanked 10,605 Times in 1,477 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	I am glad some of this is getting discussed. I ,as a butch have no idea what it's like to be a femme who looks straight out in mainstream so I liken it to being seen as a straight man by the general public at Lowe's for example.Where I currently work. I dont want to be a straight man. Who I am is the first butch (woman) ever to work in assembly. Or back in my 20's, the first butch (woman) to be hired as a groundskeeper for a school district. Every job I have ever had has been in a male dominated field. I want to be seen. This is me. I am a butch. This has always been me. In a thread about a month ago someone described butch -as a stopping point. Really? really. To what? The ultimate male? huh? I have the correct amount of T for me,already. This is hard for me because I sit on the fence somewhere between tg and butch. Best way I can think to describe it. Male pronouns feel like they fit easier than she's and her's but I cant take that too far as to not live in the reality that I am indeed having a case of raging butch menopause. I stopped correcting people because it became the majority who see me as "Sir". The people that do >see< me for me, are very appreciated. Femme's who are into butch's have always been the one's to make me feel accepted and ok just how I am. I appreciate you femme's who are here saying butch's are still ok. I'm old ,I'm a butch and I think it's much more than just a stopping place.

07-30-2011, 08:24 AM	#5
Dude Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Relationship Status: Perusing Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: exit 5 with an exit 21 goal Posts: 1,725 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 15,351 Thanked 10,605 Times in 1,477 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	How weird is this ,to (now) feel like a minority in a place that has butch in the title. I am grateful it is there for sure but the lean or shifting to all things male is fairly significant based upon the support (or lack of it ) in this thread. Can we be allies without being squashed out at a later date when we arent quite as needed? I fucking hope so. To me it feels competitive almost. I wish I had a better way to explain it.