Troy Davis - Guilty or Innocent?

Gráinne · 09-21-2011, 11:58 PM

(I know very little of Davis's case, but this is in general about the death penalty).

I think this country has a hell of a lot of nerve complaining about China or North Korea or whathaveyou country, when we're just as bad, maybe worse.

If we're going to have a death penalty, let's have it-not 22 years later after the crime. I mean, fast. If we can't do that and really need 20 years of extremely expensive appeals and trials, etc., let's abolish it.

Mr. Davis was a prime example of why the whole thing should be abolished. Black, poor, from the South, and probably not highly educated (I know little of his background, but what I did hear was bad enough). If we're going to have it, it should be for *this* crime (whatever the *this* is), without reasonable doubt as to guilt, for all those who commit that crime-no matter race, faith, background. If we can't do that much, it's inhumane.

Are we truly a more civilzed people than everyone else we "other", and react with horror at public stonings or hangings? The only difference is that we hide executions, more out of shame, I think, than any real reason. I don't think we're that removed from the Tudors, with burnings right out in the middle of Smithfield, than if we set up a scaffold in the parking lot of Wal-Mart.

This fucking country. There are those who have no problem telling a woman she cannot have an abortion because it's "murder", and yet are almost gleeful at painfully poisoning to death just another almost non-person who didn't count for anything.

Rockinonahigh · 09-22-2011, 01:50 AM

Im sorry Troy Davis is dead.I know little about him or his case,BUT I do know that takeing another life with the situation as it is, is wrong.I know we need to do something to make anyone think twice before doing the crime of muder,onething I know for shure that if anyone else is sentenced to leathal injection the proof of guilt,in my opinion" should possitive proof the person who is charged did the crime as anyone elses involvement in said crime be judged on its own merrit or lack of .Our court systen is suposed to help everyone equally but I know it dosent because of classisum,raceisum and just plane ignorance of so-caled justic.What gives me the right to sentence anyone to death,a price need to be paid by life in jail at hard labor if there is any doubt what so ever for eny reason at all.I realise there are some people who muder that desreve to have the hard dentence put on them,im not in the least wanting that to be done to another human being but something need be done,what I have no idea.There has to be another way to deal wthe situations like this.

*Anya* · 09-22-2011, 05:28 AM

Did they really use Nembutal? It is a barbiturate. It is rarely used to today.

Nembutal (Pentobarbital)
Pentobarbital, a barbiturate, is used in the treatment of insomnia. It is also used as a sedative to relieve anxiety and induce sleep.

www.nlm.nih.gov

David Batty
guardian.co.uk, Thu 22 Sep 2011 00.46 BST
The case of death row inmate Troy Davis should spur the European Union into imposing stringent controls on drugs used in lethal injections to prevent EU companies from being complicit in further US executions, according to human rights campaigners.
Pentobarbital, one of the three drugs set to be used to kill Davis, was bought from the Danish pharmaceutical company Lundbeck before it announced strict controls on the sale of the drug earlier this summer.
Lundbeck, which manufactures the drug in the US under the tradename Nembutal, now demands that its US distributors sign an agreement stating that they will not make pentobarbital, which is a sedative with a wide range of uses, available for prisons using it for lethal injections.
Maya Foa, investigator for human rights charity Reprieve, said the dose that could be used to kill Davis if his execution in a Georgia death row prison goes ahead, was among batches obtained prior to Lundbeck's restrictions on the use of the drug.
She added: "States that carry out lethal injections will still have a decent but not excessive supply of pentobarbital. Most will have about 12 doses. But they are unable to get extra doses."
Davis execution was delayed until the Supreme Court makes a decision on whether or not to grant him a stay of execution.
MEP Sarah Ludford, who lobbied for the UK export ban on three drugs used in lethal injections, said she hoped Davis' case would persuade the European Union to impose stringent control to prevent EU companies from being complicit in future executions.
Ludford said: "This is a tragic case, a seriously flawed case. But if there's any commemoration we can make to Troy Davis it's that there's a no EU company complicit in executions in the future."
The Liberal Democrat MEP said she hoped the case would lead to the European Commission adding the relevant drugs to the torture goods regulation, which would prevent them from being used in cruel or inhuman..."

Okiebug61 · 09-22-2011, 06:29 AM

This is the part that scares me the most.

There was no physical evidence tying Davis, then 20-years-old, to the shooting and several witnesses at his trial later recanted their testimony.

The victims have not gained anything from this execution. Their hearts are hardened with anger and until they can let go of the anger nothing has really changed.

Abigail Crabby · 09-22-2011, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiebug61

This is the part that scares me the most.

There was no physical evidence tying Davis, then 20-years-old, to the shooting and several witnesses at his trial later recanted their testimony.

The victims have not gained anything from this execution. Their hearts are hardened with anger and until they can let go of the anger nothing has really changed.

I agree - how they could take his life without concrete evidence and with recanted testimony is scary indeed.

It would seem we *the govt* is becoming immune to it's own rules of evidence.

How long before Soylent Green

MsTinkerbelly · 09-22-2011, 08:00 AM

..........Troy Davis maintains innocence in final words
By The Associated Press | AP – 10 hrs ago

Here are his final words, as witnessed by an Associated Press reporter:

"I'd like to address the MacPhail family. Let you know, despite the situation you are in, I'm not the one who personally killed your son, your father, your brother. I am innocent.

The incident that happened that night is not my fault. I did not have a gun. All I can ask ... is that you look deeper into this case so that you really can finally see the truth.

I ask my family and friends to continue to fight this fight.

For those about to take my life, God have mercy on your souls. And may God bless your souls."

SoNotHer · 09-22-2011, 08:06 AM

Remember as well he was denied the opportunity to take a polygraph and until the end, he maintained his innocence.

How did we ever get to this place?

09-21-2011, 11:58 PM	#1
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09-22-2011, 05:28 AM	#3
Anya Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Lesbian non-stone femme Preferred Pronoun?: She, her Relationship Status: Committed to being good to myself Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: West Coast Posts: 8,258 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 39,306 Thanked 40,449 Times in 7,284 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	Did they really use Nembutal? It is a barbiturate. It is rarely used to today. Nembutal (Pentobarbital) Pentobarbital, a barbiturate, is used in the treatment of insomnia. It is also used as a sedative to relieve anxiety and induce sleep. www.nlm.nih.gov David Batty guardian.co.uk, Thu 22 Sep 2011 00.46 BST The case of death row inmate Troy Davis should spur the European Union into imposing stringent controls on drugs used in lethal injections to prevent EU companies from being complicit in further US executions, according to human rights campaigners. Pentobarbital, one of the three drugs set to be used to kill Davis, was bought from the Danish pharmaceutical company Lundbeck before it announced strict controls on the sale of the drug earlier this summer. Lundbeck, which manufactures the drug in the US under the tradename Nembutal, now demands that its US distributors sign an agreement stating that they will not make pentobarbital, which is a sedative with a wide range of uses, available for prisons using it for lethal injections. Maya Foa, investigator for human rights charity Reprieve, said the dose that could be used to kill Davis if his execution in a Georgia death row prison goes ahead, was among batches obtained prior to Lundbeck's restrictions on the use of the drug. She added: "States that carry out lethal injections will still have a decent but not excessive supply of pentobarbital. Most will have about 12 doses. But they are unable to get extra doses." Davis execution was delayed until the Supreme Court makes a decision on whether or not to grant him a stay of execution. MEP Sarah Ludford, who lobbied for the UK export ban on three drugs used in lethal injections, said she hoped Davis' case would persuade the European Union to impose stringent control to prevent EU companies from being complicit in future executions. Ludford said: "This is a tragic case, a seriously flawed case. But if there's any commemoration we can make to Troy Davis it's that there's a no EU company complicit in executions in the future." The Liberal Democrat MEP said she hoped the case would lead to the European Commission adding the relevant drugs to the torture goods regulation, which would prevent them from being used in cruel or inhuman..." __________________ ~Anya~ Democracy Dies in Darkness ~Washington Post "...I'm deeply concerned by recently adopted policies which punish children for their parents’ actions ... The thought that any State would seek to deter parents by inflicting such abuse on children is unconscionable." UN Human Rights commissioner

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09-22-2011, 01:50 AM	#2
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09-22-2011, 08:00 AM	#6
MsTinkerbelly Timed Out - TOS Drama How Do You Identify?: ... Preferred Pronoun?: ... Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ... Posts: 6,573 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 30,737 Thanked 22,907 Times in 5,017 Posts Rep Power: 0	..........Troy Davis maintains innocence in final words By The Associated Press \| AP – 10 hrs ago Here are his final words, as witnessed by an Associated Press reporter: "I'd like to address the MacPhail family. Let you know, despite the situation you are in, I'm not the one who personally killed your son, your father, your brother. I am innocent. The incident that happened that night is not my fault. I did not have a gun. All I can ask ... is that you look deeper into this case so that you really can finally see the truth. I ask my family and friends to continue to fight this fight. For those about to take my life, God have mercy on your souls. And may God bless your souls."