The Beginning of the End for DADT

[Strappie]

Very well said.. I have many friends there were and are in the military. It saddens me the trouble they have encountered because of the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" Policy in particular my friends that came home from Iraq and defended our country that now suffer from the trauma of all the things they have seen. If my friends were able to get the therapy they "really" need then being able to "be whom they are" is part of that therapy. But by god DON'T ASK DON'T TELL...

So God Bless him for "speaking" the words we so need to "stop"!!!

[Rook]

I have slightly mixed feelings....

On the one hand, I'm glad to hear this..One step at a time, baby steps but still, it's a step forward, so future generations can proudly, Openly, shamelessly serve their Country...

On the other hand, I'm saddened it took the Powers-that-Be this long to meditate and come to such a conclusion...Had they done so 10-ish yrs ago{more or less when Clinton slapped us with it}, and abolished DADT, I honestly feel I'd probably be a part of the USMC JAG Corps at this point.....Unfortunately, the age factor..and Health keep me from pursuing if they finally accept LGBTQ...

Perhaps this will lead the way towards Equality in Marriage, Housing, Adoption etc ..Federally...

[WolfyOne]

I like this news. For future generations to come, will not have to endure what we have up until now. It was like segregation back in the day. The military put a stop to it. If you serve your country, side by side it didn't matter what color you were. With being able to serve openly and proudly, this may open the door in the future everywhere. We have a voice and we re being heard. I'll end using these ever famous words.....we've come a long way baby to get where we got to today.

[Soon]

Countries that allow homosexuals to serve in the military

2.1 Argentina
2.2 Australia
2.3 Austria
2.4 Belgium
2.5 Bermuda
2.6 Brazil
2.7 Canada
2.8 Czech Republic
2.9 Denmark
2.10 Estonia
2.11 Finland
2.12 France
2.13 Germany
2.14 Ireland
2.15 Israel
2.16 Italy
2.17 Lithuania
2.18 Luxembourg
2.19 The Netherlands
2.20 New Zealand
2.21 Norway
2.22 Peru
2.23 Philippines
2.24 Romania
2.25 Slovenia
2.26 South Africa
2.27 Spain
2.28 Sweden
2.29 Switzerland
2.30 United Kingdom
2.31 Uruguay

[always2late]

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/20...2/mccain-dadt/

Sigh

[theoddz]

I served prior to DADT and I can tell you that, back then, it was even worse. I remember the witch hunts when, specifically, the US Navy and US Marine Corps had a specific division within CID, called "NIS" (Naval Investigative Service) that pursued, prosecuted and then summarily discharged (many with less than honorable discharges) gay and lesbian Sailors and Marines. It was going on in the other branches, too, and it was bad. Many MANY good, squared away service members lost careers and were further punished with less than desirable character grades on their DD214's that would mar them for life. Yes, it was worse. When I enlisted, recruiters outright asked about sexual orientation. If you answered that you were, or possessed homosexual tendencies, you were automatically disqualified. Door closed. Sorry. We. Don't. Want. You. Goodbye.

When DADT came in, I thought to myself that maybe things might be a little easier...and in a sense, they were. You see, I remember the investigations where some of the Marines I served with were dragged into the offices of investigagors and coerced to reveal names of others in exchange for (false) promises of "leniency" in their own treatment, etc. Entire investigations seemed to grow "arms" that way, like an octopus, and then the harassment and punishment would commence. I had a friend who was a (straight) supply Sgt. and they even pulled her in and wanted to discharge her on someone else's heresay, because she had ONCE been spotted in a gay club (the old Peanuts club) in Los Angeles. Yes, I remember that night when she went partying with some of our group....with her boyfriend....because she was our friend and wasn't gay at all. The fact that she was seen going into a gay club was reason enough. You see, NIS had agents they'd station outside of the known gay clubs. They also had agents inside. The one outside would stand around and watch the cars pull up. If a car had a base sticker on it, they wrote the name down as a suspected gay. Inside, the agent would try to talk to the customers, or stand around at the door and see who used a military ID for proof of age to get in. The agent would then try to get that person's name. It was ridiculous. So yes, when DADT came in, I had hoped that things would get a little easier. Something about that "don't pursue" clause.

Nowdays, I work with young service members, both officer and enlisted, because it's a medical environment. These "kids" give me hope that things are, indeed, changing. I see these young people and they are so open minded, on the whole. Yes, there's a few that have some fairly "conservative" prejudicial notions/ideas, but when you find one of them, they usually keep pretty quiet because their peers, who usually outnumber them, tell them "Hey, that's not cool, yanno." As a transgendered man, I have to say that I've gotten more respect and acceptance from these young military members than I've gotten from the (older) civilian employees of my own agency, and I successfully and openly transitioned at work. For this, I have even more hope. These kids aren't daunted or afraid of gays, lesbians or even transfolk who might be serving alongside of them. Hell, most of them know someone, or have a gay family member and they're very accepting of other kinds of people. Of course, I can't speak for other kinds of military environments. I know that there are some unit cultures that, if I were a gay male, I'd be afraid....VERY afraid....to reveal my orientation to. In the Marine Corps, for example, If I were a gay male Marine, I wouldn't be very comfortable serving in an infantry or combat arms unit. The culture is different in something like that than it would be in, say, a supply or administrative, or even communications unit. I have, in the past, known a couple of gay male Marines who did serve (verrrrry discreetly, of course) in combat units.

I know I may not hold a "politically correct" view when I say this, but I happen to think that, for everyone....gay, straight, bi, pansexual....it IS a question of conduct. Bottom line is that the person is there to do a job and it shouldn't matter one iota what that person's gender OR sexual orientation is. You're there to do a job. If you do that job well, then anything in your personal life is your business and none of anyone else's. Just like offensive conduct of any sexual nature is, and should be, excluded from the workplace, it shouldn't matter who perpetrates it...gay, straight, bi, pansexual, etc. It IS a question of conduct and everyone should be held to account if it is inappropriate for a workplace or interferes with an objective or mission. I happen to think that an inappropriate heterosexual "office affair" is most definitely a morale-dropping, inappropriate, counterproductive distraction that can adversely interfere with a workplace's mission. It doesn't matter if it's gay or straight....it disrupts what should be a professional environment and distracts from the work that needs to be done. Period.

Clinton definitely sold us out with the DADT policy, but it was, to me, a slight improvement over what was happening before. It's time to make it even better now and to remove all restrictions on gays, lesbians and bisexuals who want to do their bit and serve.

It's the right thing to do and no other option should be considered or "settled" for.

~Theo~

[Cyclopea]

I really enjoyed this NYT OpEd today on the topic:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/op...ml?ref=opinion
Enjoy!

[Soon]

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

I really enjoyed this NYT OpEd today on the topic:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/op...ml?ref=opinion
Enjoy!

great article!

[Sachita]

Originally Posted by Rook

I have slightly mixed feelings....

On the one hand, I'm glad to hear this..One step at a time, baby steps but still, it's a step forward, so future generations can proudly, Openly, shamelessly serve their Country...

On the other hand, I'm saddened it took the Powers-that-Be this long to meditate and come to such a conclusion...Had they done so 10-ish yrs ago{more or less when Clinton slapped us with it}, and abolished DADT, I honestly feel I'd probably be a part of the USMC JAG Corps at this point.....Unfortunately, the age factor..and Health keep me from pursuing if they finally accept LGBTQ...

Perhaps this will lead the way towards Equality in Marriage, Housing, Adoption etc ..Federally...

I agree BUT at least its happening. In the past 25 years I've slowly watch a shift in consciousness. The world changing and now that consciousness is becoming movement. Sometimes movement and change is unsettling and even destructive. Nature proves this to us all the time.

[Cyclopea]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_543796.html

[Rook]

I can understand being Heckled if you oppose certain measures, policies etc...
Other than successfully pissing off Supporters..
What exactly does it Prove?
I know he needs reminding from time to time..dang..

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Rook

I can understand being Heckled if you oppose certain measures, policies etc...
Other than successfully pissing off Supporters..
What exactly does it Prove?
I know he needs reminding from time to time..dang..

I personally think it proves more than anything else that we LGBT folks are getting very very tired of the people we fight to place in office not doing their jobs.

I don't think he should need reminding. He made it clear when running for office that equal human rights was at the forefront of his agenda. Have at it big boy!

Why is it that it has taken so long to figure out how to repeal DADT? Seems easier to do just about anything than to make it illegal to discriminate against homosexuals.

Frankly, I think Bill was trying to do the right thing with gays when DADT first came about. Seemed reasonable.. let's not talk about it, then there won't be discrimination. No one saw AT THE TIME, that it would be turned against us. Until we have laws making our rights ( ALL of our rights) equal to those of our heterosexual neighbors, we will remain less than second class citizens.

[Soon]

GetEQUAL sends us the above grid detailing the known (and unknown) DADT positions of Senators that serve on the Armed Services Committee. GetEQUAL: "These are very important targets to go after in the next 30 days with non-violent direct action and civil disobedience. It is of utmost importance that you contact ALL these Senators and express the importance of the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell." They suggest using these talking points when calling the above Senators.

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Also: GetEQUAL is sitting in at Sen. John McCain's office in Arizona. Follow the developments on their Twitter feed.

[chefhottie25]

An end to this policy is long overdue. My little sister served in the coast guard...and she had to do it in silence. It put a lot of stress on relationship at the time. I don't know how she did it for so many years.

[tuffboi29]

Originally Posted by Jess

Why is it that it has taken so long to figure out how to repeal DADT? Seems easier to do just about anything than to make it illegal to discriminate against homosexuals.

....Until we have laws making our rights ( ALL of our rights) equal to those of our heterosexual neighbors, we will remain less than second class citizens.

Hear!!! Hear!!!

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Jess

I personally think it proves more than anything else that we LGBT folks are getting very very tired of the people we fight to place in office not doing their jobs.

I don't think he should need reminding. He made it clear when running for office that equal human rights was at the forefront of his agenda. Have at it big boy!

Why is it that it has taken so long to figure out how to repeal DADT? Seems easier to do just about anything than to make it illegal to discriminate against homosexuals.

Frankly, I think Bill was trying to do the right thing with gays when DADT first came about. Seemed reasonable.. let's not talk about it, then there won't be discrimination. No one saw AT THE TIME, that it would be turned against us. Until we have laws making our rights ( ALL of our rights) equal to those of our heterosexual neighbors, we will remain less than second class citizens.

If the idiots in Congress that don't want to see it repealed would not do things like putting in a bill that also appropriates money that both Obama and Defense Secretary Gates thinks is wastefull, it would be a done deal!

Just continued polital tactics by right-wing homophobes!

[Cyclopea]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_544586.html

I thought it was an interesting choice for the AP reporter to state that hecklers "screamed at" Obama. "Screamed"? Really?