OCCUPY WALL STREET

[Corkey]

I think that is the point frankly, wiggle room to have more ideas.

[Cin]

Originally Posted by Corkey

I think that is the point frankly, wiggle room to have more ideas.

Well, yes, certainly, more ideas anyway. And anyone is welcome to have them.

As a matter of fact they are asking us for them.

Email us with your ideas for this declaration and petition at: The99Declaration@gmail.com or join this Working Group by visiting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the99declaration/ and the Working Group Forum at http://the99delegation.forumotion.com/.

[Kätzchen]

Thank you so much, Miss Tick and SmoothButch, for posting these artifacts (documents).

I would love to attend in Philadelphia next summer!
Hopefully I won't have to hitchhike my way to the event.

I think the instrument presented is ambitious also; but I think that with what time constraints and deadlines the members of the WGF were against, I think they did fairly well in putting this instrument together.

At the moment, I can see that maybe no. 7 might need the language tightened a bit or at least review other prior case law tested in the Supreme Court pertaining to how current law is (or has been) applied in the past. The reason I say this is because, do we have access to environmental law with rules and regulations that are useful or are the current rules and regs lacking specificity?

I have a current 2011 edition of Communication Law and I could check to see if there are examples of prior case law tested in the Environmental arena and see if, for myself or anyone else, if what we have existing on the books equals or comes near enough to the language drawn in no. 7.

That's the only flag that comes to my attention at this time in examining the current instrument that has been drawn by the WFG.

Thanks again, Miss Tick and SmoothButch!

[persiphone]

i think farm subsidies elimination should be limited to gmo crops. that's my only wrinkle with what they've got down. otherwise.....WOOT!

[atomiczombie]

Well one of my concerns is 20. I think that the vast majority of our troops need to be home from Iraq and Afghanistan. However, I am afraid of what might happen if we just pull EVERYONE out at the same time. We have made a huge mess there, so to up and leave it without things all put back together sets off alarms for me.

[atomiczombie]

This is an excellent documentary. I am just linking part 1 but you folks can find the other parts on youtube if you follow the links.

[SoNotHer]

Great interview and speaker. I have also seen police in riot gear when there was no riot. We had gone down to protest W's second inauguration (and what a dark day that was). Some kids were pulling on one of the fences (there were two high fences between us and the motorcade, as well snippers on roof tops and helicopters overhead). That's all they were doing - pulling a little on a fence.

In came the riot police in double file, and people just fled. Nevertheless, in the fray as the riot police doubled back, some woman decided to take me on about my anti-war stance - interesting timing and context.

This veteran presents some very good challenges and observations on the status quo.

Originally Posted by SmoothButch

[citybutch]

You can get it on Netflix as well... really great documentary...

His father's anguish (and stubbornness) is stunning...

Originally Posted by atomiczombie

This is an excellent documentary. I am just linking part 1 but you folks can find the other parts on youtube if you follow the links.

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by persiphone

i think farm subsidies elimination should be limited to gmo crops. that's my only wrinkle with what they've got down. otherwise.....WOOT!

Absolutely, we need local real food. Not GMO crops and not veggies from 2000 miles away.

[Cin]

http://www.alternet.org/occupywallst..._wall_street_/

[atomiczombie]

Originally Posted by Miss Tick

http://www.alternet.org/occupywallst..._wall_street_/

Yeah, I knew all this anti-semitic stuff was just right wing propaganda and lies.

[persiphone]

Originally Posted by atomiczombie

This is an excellent documentary. I am just linking part 1 but you folks can find the other parts on youtube if you follow the links.

i was up till the wee hours of the night watching this. then had to pull a 14 hour day right after. i just got home. i blame you :P however excellent flick. loved it

i think i was a little taken aback by how uncomfortable people with money are with talking about....money. i think money comes up all the time amongst my circles. we discuss it like we discuss sports, or weekend plans, or any other kind of idle chatter. we wanna know who's got what so we can figure out who's buying coffee on friday. or we bitch about the bills. or how little we get paid (if we even have a job). but these people act like having a conversation is akin to mentioning the name Valdemort in the Harry Potter series. it was almost laughable.

/ramble

[persiphone]

Originally Posted by Ebon

Absolutely, we need local real food. Not GMO crops and not veggies from 2000 miles away.

food. a topic near and dear to my heart. there are many problems with this direction even though i completely agree with you. i truly wish it were that simple. a few tidbits....

~farmers make up 1% or less (oh the irony) of all occupations in America. the number is so small that the word "farmer" isn't even listed on the census anymore.

~corps have addicted the public to A.) hfcs and B.) absurdly low prices for food (which is part of a whole slew of other hidden agendas that could take days to hash out)

~not all places in America CAN be farmed to supply local cities in towns

~importing. need i say more?

~farming to feed cattle, pork, etc. lots of issues surrounding that.

i mean, it goes on and on and on. i won't even get into farming practices themselves cuz that could take another week right there. the main thing is that the food supply is so severely fucked up on so many levels that it could take decades to clean it up. literally. however, i think gmo's are a good start. incidentally, one of the reason we can't export our food supply is because the rest of the world doesn't want our gmo garbage contaminating their food supply. but we never hear about THAT in the news. getting rid of gmos could help us export crops, which, would mean farmers could actually make a living. and that's just the beginning. that topic is so deep it makes my head spin and keeps me up at night.

[atomiczombie]

[Cin]

Occupy Wall Street's $435,000 In Donations Could Last The Winter
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1019352.html

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by persiphone

food. a topic near and dear to my heart. there are many problems with this direction even though i completely agree with you. i truly wish it were that simple. a few tidbits....

~farmers make up 1% or less (oh the irony) of all occupations in America. the number is so small that the word "farmer" isn't even listed on the census anymore.

~corps have addicted the public to A.) hfcs and B.) absurdly low prices for food (which is part of a whole slew of other hidden agendas that could take days to hash out)

~not all places in America CAN be farmed to supply local cities in towns

~importing. need i say more?

~farming to feed cattle, pork, etc. lots of issues surrounding that.

i mean, it goes on and on and on. i won't even get into farming practices themselves cuz that could take another week right there. the main thing is that the food supply is so severely fucked up on so many levels that it could take decades to clean it up. literally. however, i think gmo's are a good start. incidentally, one of the reason we can't export our food supply is because the rest of the world doesn't want our gmo garbage contaminating their food supply. but we never hear about THAT in the news. getting rid of gmos could help us export crops, which, would mean farmers could actually make a living. and that's just the beginning. that topic is so deep it makes my head spin and keeps me up at night.

Yeah I watched a couple of docos about it and read about a bunch of shit that Monsanto did (like trying to put a patent on the pig). I didn't even think about places not being able to be farmed on, that's a good point. However, it seems like there is a lot of land outside of cities that can be used. Also there are lots of people doing urban farming for the little neighborhoods that they live in, I know of 3 here in Austin, plus 2 more farmers markets. I know not everyone can afford it but I think that the government should pitch in to help make costs lower for everyone when comes to natural non gmo foods for us to eat.

[Cin]

Naomi Wolf: how I was arrested at Occupy Wall Street

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...?newsfeed=true

[SoNotHer]

Originally Posted by Ebon

Absolutely, we need local real food. Not GMO crops and not veggies from 2000 miles away.

Yes, we could, should, and will, and I would encourage anyone to start a garden at home (even a pot with a basil plant is a start) and look into permaculture and food forests and "edible landscaping." "Food forests" are already being created in places like Philadelphia, and permaculture is growing in presence and understanding = permacultures which allowed one California family to create enough food for itself on 1/10th an acre and be able to sustain itself financially selling food to upscale restaurants.

Industrial agriculture is highly problematic. 1) It is dependent on the petro-chemical cycle of propping up lifeless, ruined soil with fertilizers (petroleum based) and maintaining wide swaths of monocultures (like corn and soy) with herbcides/insecticides. It is therefore highly dependent on oil and oil prices, and is a large contributor to C02 emissions. 2) It demands high water use and contaminates water. 3) It promotes heavy soil loss. 4) It creates an unnatural representation of nature that is ripe for all of these conditions.

Permaculture works with the prevailing natural system and embraces, supports and promotes biodiversity, guilds of companion plants working together, and, frankly, a rich, beautiful and sustainable paradise. It also promotes social justice, sharing and planetary care.

Here is a good beginning, but there are many other videos available on You Tube:

[Sachita]

Originally Posted by citybutch

You can get it on Netflix as well... really great documentary...

His father's anguish (and stubbornness) is stunning...

he's never had to want for nothing. Also I see a thread of pure ignorance and selfishness. I'm sure its also conditioning.

I don't have a problem with wealthy families. I have a problem with how the government allows them to get away with shit. I have a problem with corruption. If you have that much money rather then funnel it away into bogus tax sheltering charities, allow it to be taxed and help offset some of our surmounting debit or provide tax relief for the 99% that are not quite so fortunate.

[citybutch]

Watching the entire documentary you see that his father was once a proud photographer/filmmaker who wanted to do work with exposing poverty on the planet (my memory may not be serving me because I saw this a long time ago). He was actually quite radical and wanted to make a difference. When one of the corporations he was exposing was his own families corporation he was slammed down... HARD. I see a man who is living in fear... shame... someone whose spirit was beaten. His entire attitude in my humble opinion showed deep anguish... Yes, as an adult he has choices... but it almost seemed as though he reacted with a kind of post traumatic reaction to events.

That was my only point....

Originally Posted by Sachita

he's never had to want for nothing. Also I see a thread of pure ignorance and selfishness. I'm sure its also conditioning.

I don't have a problem with wealthy families. I have a problem with how the government allows them to get away with shit. I have a problem with corruption. If you have that much money rather then funnel it away into bogus tax sheltering charities, allow it to be taxed and help offset some of our surmounting debit or provide tax relief for the 99% that are not quite so fortunate.