OCCUPY WALL STREET

Toughy · 10-27-2011, 06:58 AM

The police caused the violence on Tuesday........

No police on Wed night.....no violence.......

figure it out folks

Ebon · 10-27-2011, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy

The police caused the violence on Tuesday........

No police on Wed night.....no violence.......

figure it out folks

It seems like a lot of people don't get this. They think that people were being violent so the police came. They don't realize that people were being peaceful until the police showed up and started pushing people around that were peacefully walking down the street.

AtLast · 10-27-2011, 01:31 PM

If someone can post informative links about what happened in Oakland and the injured young man, please do.

Many conflicting stories floating around about how it came to happen. From the cops being pelted with paint, rocks, etc. when they asked demonstrators to get back on the sidewalk- to no one was doing a thing to provoke any police action. Also, it took much longer than it should have to get that kid to a medical facility due to chaos. Some of the folks that were trying to help him were shot at too, while trying to carry him closer to where medics could treat him??

I have had it with these "non-lethal" weapons claims. If you shoot someone with one at point blank range and hit certain areas, they can kill. This kid has a fractured skull ans last I heard (6 am) is in critical condition.

I know the blame is going to back and forth- what I am interested in is how we can demonstrate our dissent and not have this happen. And no, that won't include just letting people camp and march where they want. There needs to be ER services available, specified public free speech areas and common sense. Permits include services and resources for our right to assemble and protest as well as safety routes for ER vehicles.

Protests can be very important in effecting change, but violence and chaos do nothing to effect change. The 99% includes people from the far left to moderates. Even folks that have some conservative views- we are all getting screwed by the 1%. In fact, this is the first time I really seen a movement marching in the streets in which people that most of the time would not cross paths, have differing political views, sexualities, as well as educational levels or professions and differ in race out there together. In some cities fire fighters and police officers have joined in. Actually, I like this about the OWS movement- it does represent the 99%- the whole point of the movement.

Ebon · 10-27-2011, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLast

If someone can post informative links about what happened in Oakland and the injured young man, please do.

Many conflicting stories floating around about how it came to happen. From the cops being pelted with paint, rocks, etc. when they asked demonstrators to get back on the sidewalk- to no one was doing a thing to provoke any police action. Also, it took much longer than it should have to get that kid to a medical facility due to chaos. Some of the folks that were trying to help him were shot at too, while trying to carry him closer to where medics could treat him??

I have had it with these "non-lethal" weapons claims. If you shoot someone with one at point blank range and hit certain areas, they can kill. This kid has a fractured skull ans last I heard (6 am) is in critical condition.

I know the blame is going to back and forth- what I am interested in is how we can demonstrate our dissent and not have this happen. And no, that won't include just letting people camp and march where they want. There needs to be ER services available, specified public free speech areas and common sense. Permits include services and resources for our right to assemble and protest as well as safety routes for ER vehicles.

Protests can be very important in effecting change, but violence and chaos do nothing to effect change. The 99% includes people from the far left to moderates. Even folks that have some conservative views- we are all getting screwed by the 1%. In fact, this is the first time I really seen a movement marching in the streets in which people that most of the time would not cross paths, have differing political views, sexualities, as well as educational levels or professions and differ in race out there together. In some cities fire fighters and police officers have joined in. Actually, I like this about the OWS movement- it does represent the 99%- the whole point of the movement.

http://www.businessinsider.com/this-...rotest-2011-10

Scott Olsen survived two tours of Iraq, but his life could be over after being critically injured by a police projectile at Occupy Oakland, The Guardian reports. He's 24 years old.

As we know, Occupy Oakland got incredibly ugly this week as police tried to remove protesters from their camp in front of City Hall by using tear gas, fire crackers, and rubber bullets.

Olsen suffered a head injury on Tuesday night, and is now in critical condition in Oakland's Highland Hospital. Jay Finneburgh, a photographer on the scene, managed to witness and take pictures of the incident. Police policy specifically prohibits the firing of these weapons at a person's head.

"This poor guy was right behind me when he was hit in the head with a police projectile. He went down hard and did not get up," Finneburgh wrote.

At first, Doctors told Olsen's friends that he was in critical, but stable condition. Now they're being told that his skull has been fractured and his brain is beginning to swell. Neurologists are in the process of determining whether or not he will require surgery.

According to Keith Shannon, a friend who served with Olsen during his time in Iraq, Olsen was hit in the head with a tear gas or smoke canister, and he has the scar on his head to prove it.

Meanwhile, Oakland police admit that they used tear gas and baton rounds, but have denied the use of flash bang grenades. Protesters, however, say they saw police use them, and the more video that comes out, the harder it is to believe the police.

Olsen hails from Wisconsin, served tours of Iraq in 2006 and 2007, and is active in both Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War.

You can see a video of him collapsing and injured below.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/this-...#ixzz1c0pcVmVh

Here is the video also. It shows the police throwing a flash bomb right in the middle of them while they are trying to help him.

SoNotHer · 10-27-2011, 03:43 PM

They actually fired on the people who ran to help the protestor they shot with tear gas?

I can't even begin to express how angry I am right now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebon

http://www.businessinsider.com/this-...rotest-2011-10

Scott Olsen survived two tours of Iraq, but his life could be over after being critically injured by a police projectile at Occupy Oakland, The Guardian reports. He's 24 years old.

As we know, Occupy Oakland got incredibly ugly this week as police tried to remove protesters from their camp in front of City Hall by using tear gas, fire crackers, and rubber bullets.

Olsen suffered a head injury on Tuesday night, and is now in critical condition in Oakland's Highland Hospital. Jay Finneburgh, a photographer on the scene, managed to witness and take pictures of the incident. Police policy specifically prohibits the firing of these weapons at a person's head.

"This poor guy was right behind me when he was hit in the head with a police projectile. He went down hard and did not get up," Finneburgh wrote.

At first, Doctors told Olsen's friends that he was in critical, but stable condition. Now they're being told that his skull has been fractured and his brain is beginning to swell. Neurologists are in the process of determining whether or not he will require surgery.

According to Keith Shannon, a friend who served with Olsen during his time in Iraq, Olsen was hit in the head with a tear gas or smoke canister, and he has the scar on his head to prove it.

Meanwhile, Oakland police admit that they used tear gas and baton rounds, but have denied the use of flash bang grenades. Protesters, however, say they saw police use them, and the more video that comes out, the harder it is to believe the police.

Olsen hails from Wisconsin, served tours of Iraq in 2006 and 2007, and is active in both Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War.

You can see a video of him collapsing and injured below.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/this-...#ixzz1c0pcVmVh

Here is the video also. It shows the police throwing a flash bomb right in the middle of them while they are trying to help him.

SoNotHer · 10-27-2011, 03:48 PM

and his skull is fractured. He came back from two tours of Iraq to participate in a democracy that he defended. Yeah, how about that.

SoNotHer · 10-27-2011, 08:52 PM

I have actually had a visceral reaction to what has happened to Scott Olsen.. This young man is a hero and a leader.

"Olsen was dedicated to the Occupy movement, working at his job during the day and joining the protest at night, Shannon said...He became active in the antiwar movement when he returned [from Iraq]. In the last three weeks, he's only been home a couple of nights," Shannon said. "He's been dedicated to this even though he has a good job, just trying to support the movement even though he's not directly affected."

Dottie Guy, also a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, has been at the hospital since Tuesday night. She'd met Olsen only a few months ago but said he is always smiling, always positive."

From -

Read more: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...#ixzz1c2bCxEcO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebon

http://www.businessinsider.com/this-...rotest-2011-10

Scott Olsen survived two tours of Iraq, but his life could be over after being critically injured by a police projectile at Occupy Oakland, The Guardian reports. He's 24 years old.

As we know, Occupy Oakland got incredibly ugly this week as police tried to remove protesters from their camp in front of City Hall by using tear gas, fire crackers, and rubber bullets.

Olsen suffered a head injury on Tuesday night, and is now in critical condition in Oakland's Highland Hospital. Jay Finneburgh, a photographer on the scene, managed to witness and take pictures of the incident. Police policy specifically prohibits the firing of these weapons at a person's head.

"This poor guy was right behind me when he was hit in the head with a police projectile. He went down hard and did not get up," Finneburgh wrote.

At first, Doctors told Olsen's friends that he was in critical, but stable condition. Now they're being told that his skull has been fractured and his brain is beginning to swell. Neurologists are in the process of determining whether or not he will require surgery.

According to Keith Shannon, a friend who served with Olsen during his time in Iraq, Olsen was hit in the head with a tear gas or smoke canister, and he has the scar on his head to prove it.

Meanwhile, Oakland police admit that they used tear gas and baton rounds, but have denied the use of flash bang grenades. Protesters, however, say they saw police use them, and the more video that comes out, the harder it is to believe the police.

Olsen hails from Wisconsin, served tours of Iraq in 2006 and 2007, and is active in both Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War.

You can see a video of him collapsing and injured below.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/this-...#ixzz1c0pcVmVh

Here is the video also. It shows the police throwing a flash bomb right in the middle of them while they are trying to help him.

MsMerrick · 10-27-2011, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLast

If someone can post informative links about what happened in Oakland and the injured young man, please do.

Many conflicting stories floating around about how it came to happen. From the cops being pelted with paint, rocks, etc. when they asked demonstrators to get back on the sidewalk- to no one was doing a thing to provoke any police action. Also, it took much longer than it should have to get that kid to a medical facility due to chaos. Some of the folks that were trying to help him were shot at too, while trying to carry him closer to where medics could treat him??

.

I posted such links yesterday evening and yes, you can see very clearly , people rush back to help the young man lying on the ground..and a Police person, lobs a Flash Bomb DIRECTLY into the middle of teh group trying to help! Very Al-Quaeda esque ....! Attack one person or thing, then lob another attack when people rush to help...

MsMerrick · 10-27-2011, 04:34 PM

Btw, Michael Moore is saying he will be in Oakland tomorrow to stand with the protesters.

AtLast · 10-27-2011, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsMerrick

I posted such links yesterday evening and yes, you can see very clearly , people rush back to help the young man lying on the ground..and a Police person, lobs a Flash Bomb DIRECTLY into the middle of teh group trying to help! Very Al-Quaeda esque ....! Attack one person or thing, then lob another attack when people rush to help...

I looked at these today- my heart in in my throat. Weird reports here in terms of some info left out as far as I can see with now the videos being posted.

There are also some other pics posted in various blogs/articles with other people that have been hit with these bean bag and rubber ball bullets- ALL that I have seen have been in the face or on the neck. And facial bones have ben broken. So, I'm think close range- but maybe any range can do this kind of harm? I think people should use bullet, because that is what they are. The "non-lethal weapon" thing is just wrong. They can be lethal just as tasers can be.

As Toughy wrote earlier, police are not to shoot these at close range and not in the face in the first place. Obviously, these officers did just that. I am wondering about how "orders" are given about this and are these part of what police always have with them- or are these just for "riot patrols?" That term bothers me too.

I am not one to jump to conclusions on police as sometimes I think their actions are justified. But, I'm having a hard time with this. Why were these even used? Even if the crowd was throwing things at them, there is no indication of anyone other than the police being armed. usually, using tear gas breaks up crowds fairly fast- why did they go to these?

I hope this guy recovers fully from this, but it sure sounds like he was hurt badly.

Corkey · 10-27-2011, 05:14 PM

The average speed of a rubber bullet is 141 mph, sniper bullets are much faster.
Bone will shatter at these speeds.

Toughy · 10-27-2011, 05:22 PM

At Last.........

There is NEVER EVER justification for the police to use flash grenades, rubber bulletts/bean bags and tear gas on unarmed citizens exercizing our right to assemble in the streets or on public property. Whose Streets? OUR Streets!

So the fuck what they got pelleted with a few paint balls, rocks and bottles....the police were in FULL riot gear......vests, face masks, helmets, padding everywhere on their bodies.....I doubt they even felt the paint balls hit them in the back. The police came looking for a fight and they started one.

I can't believe you would even think about defending what they police did on Tuesday morning and night. There is no justification.

Toughy · 10-27-2011, 05:35 PM

looking around on the Occupy website I found this page.......I'm kind of stunned at how many towns/cities have folks participating and occupying....

http://www.meetup.com/occupytogether/

nowandthen · 10-27-2011, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy

The police caused the violence on Tuesday........

No police on Wed night.....no violence.......

figure it out folks

Actually, there were plenty of police they boxed us in as we marched around. they stayed on a one block away perimeter, and there was a 15 car 9 van caravan of police following the march staging and the moving and re-staging as we moved. It was a peaceful march and folks keep encouraging others to stay peaceful it was pretty cool. They closed Bart so folks could not go over to SF as some intended after our general assembly which voted for a general strike on Nov. 2 which was the first general strike vote since 1947. Anyway, I hope the mayor resigns.

nowandthen · 10-27-2011, 10:52 AM

One of the many things I noticed yesterday was the mix of folks and that those folks talked about poor folks, homeless folks, not just the middle class. For me, this fight is not about going back to what we had, it is going forward to something new. The middle class mostly white who are now losing a way of life many folks never had need to re-think how they want to change the system so that we all benefit, instead of supporting a herman cain kind of theory, your poor and homeless and it is your fault.

Barbara Lee our State Rep and a Mills Alum
I shared my outrage and grave concern about the police brutality in Oakland directly with the Mayor. My thoughts go out to the injured and especially Scott Olsen. I strongly support the occupy movement and continue to stand with the peaceful protesters in this struggle for economic justice and equality.

nowandthen · 10-27-2011, 11:01 AM

Cross=posted from Facebook: (Luz, Andrew, Andreana and I have submitted the following proposal to "Occupy Oakland." We will keep everyone updated on its status. It is based on the statement approved by Occupy Boston.)

RESOLUTION: Memorandum of Solidarity with Indigenous Peoples

WHEREAS, those participating in “Occupy Oakland” acknowledge that the United States of America is a colonial country, and that we are guests upon stolen indigenous land that has already been occupied for centuries, Oakland being the ancestral land of the Ohlone people; and

WHEREAS, members of the Indigenous Peoples continued to resist the violent oppression and exploitation of the colonizers since they first arrived on this continent, and as a result have a great amount of experience that could strengthen this movement; and

WHEREAS, after centuries of disregard for the welfare of future generations, and the consistent disrespect and exploitation of the Earth, we find ourselves on a polluted and disturbed planet, lacking the wisdom to live sustainably at peace with the community of Life; therefore be it

RESOLVED, That we seek the involvement of indigenous peoples in the rebuilding of a new society on their ancestral land; and

As a signal to the national “Occupy” movement and Indigenois Peoples who have felt excluded who have felt excluded by the colonialist language used to name this movement, it shall be declared that “Occupy Oakland" aspires to “Decolonize Oakland" with the guidance and participation of Indigenous Peoples; and

Extending an open hand of humility and friendship, we hereby invite Indigenous Peoples to join us in this popular uprising now taking place across this continent. We wish to further the process of healing and reconciliation and implore Indigenous Peoples to share their wisdom and guidance, as they see fit, so as to help us restore true freedom and democracy and initiate a new era of peace and cooperation that will work for everyone, including the Earth and the original inhabitants of this land In Solidarity,

Joanne Barker (510-206-9527)

Luz Calvo

Andreana Clay

Andrew Jolivette

SoNotHer · 10-27-2011, 11:18 AM

There are different rivers running to this delta right now - the disadvantage of asynchronous communication. It's important, however, to focus on the confluence suggested by these rivers of thought.

1) I do think the term "occupy" is not a good one, and if the movement evolves, as I hope it does, this should change.

2) Pain, loss and violence have already begun, whether or not it's at the protests or it's the many injustices and indignities we will never see or know of that have come about as the rich most certainly have gotten richer and the poor poorer. Some of us know people who are losing their homes, in medical bankruptcy, making choices between food and medication, working minimum-wage jobs, not working, not surviving. This battle started a long time ago, and there have long been casualties.

3) We all desire social and economic justice/equality, positive momentum and the opportunity for all to survive and thrive. We are looking for a greater semblance of balance in a system that feels increasingly imbalanced.

So let's agree on the larger points and allow ourselves to respectfully disagree on the some of the finer points for now. I believe these too will work out in time.

If we do not have solidarity here, I can assure we will not be effective against a formidable opponent that has absolutely no interest in giving up the power it has so well accrued.

10-27-2011, 06:58 AM	#1
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10-27-2011, 05:22 PM	#12
Toughy Senior Member How Do You Identify?: pervert butch feminist woman Preferred Pronoun?: see above Relationship Status: independent entity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oakland Posts: 1,826 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,068 Thanked 7,654 Times in 1,523 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	At Last......... There is NEVER EVER justification for the police to use flash grenades, rubber bulletts/bean bags and tear gas on unarmed citizens exercizing our right to assemble in the streets or on public property. Whose Streets? OUR Streets! So the fuck what they got pelleted with a few paint balls, rocks and bottles....the police were in FULL riot gear......vests, face masks, helmets, padding everywhere on their bodies.....I doubt they even felt the paint balls hit them in the back. The police came looking for a fight and they started one. I can't believe you would even think about defending what they police did on Tuesday morning and night. There is no justification. __________________ We are everywhere We are different I do not care if resistance is futile I will not assimilate www.butchfemmesocials.com/

10-27-2011, 05:35 PM	#13
Toughy Senior Member How Do You Identify?: pervert butch feminist woman Preferred Pronoun?: see above Relationship Status: independent entity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oakland Posts: 1,826 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,068 Thanked 7,654 Times in 1,523 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	looking around on the Occupy website I found this page.......I'm kind of stunned at how many towns/cities have folks participating and occupying.... http://www.meetup.com/occupytogether/ __________________ We are everywhere We are different I do not care if resistance is futile I will not assimilate www.butchfemmesocials.com/

10-27-2011, 01:31 PM	#3
AtLast Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Woman Preferred Pronoun?: HER - SHE Relationship Status: Relating Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CA & AZ I'm a Snowbird Posts: 5,408 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,826 Thanked 10,827 Times in 3,199 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	If someone can post informative links about what happened in Oakland and the injured young man, please do. Many conflicting stories floating around about how it came to happen. From the cops being pelted with paint, rocks, etc. when they asked demonstrators to get back on the sidewalk- to no one was doing a thing to provoke any police action. Also, it took much longer than it should have to get that kid to a medical facility due to chaos. Some of the folks that were trying to help him were shot at too, while trying to carry him closer to where medics could treat him?? I have had it with these "non-lethal" weapons claims. If you shoot someone with one at point blank range and hit certain areas, they can kill. This kid has a fractured skull ans last I heard (6 am) is in critical condition. I know the blame is going to back and forth- what I am interested in is how we can demonstrate our dissent and not have this happen. And no, that won't include just letting people camp and march where they want. There needs to be ER services available, specified public free speech areas and common sense. Permits include services and resources for our right to assemble and protest as well as safety routes for ER vehicles. Protests can be very important in effecting change, but violence and chaos do nothing to effect change. The 99% includes people from the far left to moderates. Even folks that have some conservative views- we are all getting screwed by the 1%. In fact, this is the first time I really seen a movement marching in the streets in which people that most of the time would not cross paths, have differing political views, sexualities, as well as educational levels or professions and differ in race out there together. In some cities fire fighters and police officers have joined in. Actually, I like this about the OWS movement- it does represent the 99%- the whole point of the movement.

10-27-2011, 04:34 PM	#9
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nowandthen Member How Do You Identify?: Queer Butch Preferred Pronoun?: S/he Relationship Status: In a realationship with my PhD. Dissertation work for the next 3 years Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: West Coast Posts: 508 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 400 Thanked 947 Times in 325 Posts Rep Power: 6580599	Tired of the "middle class" One of the many things I noticed yesterday was the mix of folks and that those folks talked about poor folks, homeless folks, not just the middle class. For me, this fight is not about going back to what we had, it is going forward to something new. The middle class mostly white who are now losing a way of life many folks never had need to re-think how they want to change the system so that we all benefit, instead of supporting a herman cain kind of theory, your poor and homeless and it is your fault. Barbara Lee our State Rep and a Mills Alum I shared my outrage and grave concern about the police brutality in Oakland directly with the Mayor. My thoughts go out to the injured and especially Scott Olsen. I strongly support the occupy movement and continue to stand with the peaceful protesters in this struggle for economic justice and equality. __________________ "Real isn't how you are made," said the Skin Horse. "It's a thing that happens to you." "Does it hurt" asked the Rabbit, "Sometimes", said the Skin Horse, for he was always honest. " It's a Kind of testing, The kind of testing that spiritual warriors need in order to awaken their Heart" PC

10-27-2011, 11:01 AM	#16
nowandthen Member How Do You Identify?: Queer Butch Preferred Pronoun?: S/he Relationship Status: In a realationship with my PhD. Dissertation work for the next 3 years Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: West Coast Posts: 508 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 400 Thanked 947 Times in 325 Posts Rep Power: 6580599	YES, Language matters Cross=posted from Facebook: (Luz, Andrew, Andreana and I have submitted the following proposal to "Occupy Oakland." We will keep everyone updated on its status. It is based on the statement approved by Occupy Boston.) RESOLUTION: Memorandum of Solidarity with Indigenous Peoples WHEREAS, those participating in “Occupy Oakland” acknowledge that the United States of America is a colonial country, and that we are guests upon stolen indigenous land that has already been occupied for centuries, Oakland being the ancestral land of the Ohlone people; and WHEREAS, members of the Indigenous Peoples continued to resist the violent oppression and exploitation of the colonizers since they first arrived on this continent, and as a result have a great amount of experience that could strengthen this movement; and WHEREAS, after centuries of disregard for the welfare of future generations, and the consistent disrespect and exploitation of the Earth, we find ourselves on a polluted and disturbed planet, lacking the wisdom to live sustainably at peace with the community of Life; therefore be it RESOLVED, That we seek the involvement of indigenous peoples in the rebuilding of a new society on their ancestral land; and As a signal to the national “Occupy” movement and Indigenois Peoples who have felt excluded who have felt excluded by the colonialist language used to name this movement, it shall be declared that “Occupy Oakland" aspires to “Decolonize Oakland" with the guidance and participation of Indigenous Peoples; and Extending an open hand of humility and friendship, we hereby invite Indigenous Peoples to join us in this popular uprising now taking place across this continent. We wish to further the process of healing and reconciliation and implore Indigenous Peoples to share their wisdom and guidance, as they see fit, so as to help us restore true freedom and democracy and initiate a new era of peace and cooperation that will work for everyone, including the Earth and the original inhabitants of this land In Solidarity, Joanne Barker (510-206-9527) Luz Calvo Andreana Clay Andrew Jolivette __________________ "Real isn't how you are made," said the Skin Horse. "It's a thing that happens to you." "Does it hurt" asked the Rabbit, "Sometimes", said the Skin Horse, for he was always honest. " It's a Kind of testing, The kind of testing that spiritual warriors need in order to awaken their Heart" PC

10-27-2011, 11:18 AM	#17
SoNotHer Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Professional Sandbagger and Jenga Zumba Instructor Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: In the master control room of my world domination dreams Posts: 2,811 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 4,734 Times in 1,409 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	Coming to Some Consensus There are different rivers running to this delta right now - the disadvantage of asynchronous communication. It's important, however, to focus on the confluence suggested by these rivers of thought. 1) I do think the term "occupy" is not a good one, and if the movement evolves, as I hope it does, this should change. 2) Pain, loss and violence have already begun, whether or not it's at the protests or it's the many injustices and indignities we will never see or know of that have come about as the rich most certainly have gotten richer and the poor poorer. Some of us know people who are losing their homes, in medical bankruptcy, making choices between food and medication, working minimum-wage jobs, not working, not surviving. This battle started a long time ago, and there have long been casualties. 3) We all desire social and economic justice/equality, positive momentum and the opportunity for all to survive and thrive. We are looking for a greater semblance of balance in a system that feels increasingly imbalanced. So let's agree on the larger points and allow ourselves to respectfully disagree on the some of the finer points for now. I believe these too will work out in time. If we do not have solidarity here, I can assure we will not be effective against a formidable opponent that has absolutely no interest in giving up the power it has so well accrued.