OCCUPY WALL STREET

[Sachita]

I spent an entire day trying to find local businesses to shop at. It was very hard to find where I live. The saddest thing to me is that i live in a region where there are tons of farms and if you go to ANY food store here you won't find any local produce.

Rallys are great but change has to be a grassroots effort in each and every community.

[SoNotHer]

So many compelling reasons to shop locally...

[MsMerrick]

Originally Posted by Sachita

I spent an entire day trying to find local businesses to shop at. It was very hard to find where I live. The saddest thing to me is that i live in a region where there are tons of farms and if you go to ANY food store here you won't find any local produce.

Rallys are great but change has to be a grassroots effort in each and every community.

Consider Etsy, consider a thread here, that highlights Etsy sellers, from BFP. Under Queerbay. Consider websites that only sell American made goods, sourced and made, not just assembled here,. Local in this context, starts with being actually made in the US of A. Produce, consider a local CSA, I am betting there is one somewhere near you ...
Sometimes you do have to look a little harder, but just doing a bit ,is a start : )

[Cin]

Originally Posted by Toughy

(yes there are leaders whether or not anyone wants to admit that)

Whether the Occupy Movement is still a leaderless movement at present or not, it can't remain that way. Not if it becomes a movement with the size and substance to influence significant change. But no matter the who and the how of the eventual leaders, it was the people, the ordinary people who came together and pitched some tents to serve as a visual aide for the rest of us. It was the people who engaged in non violent protests, mic checks and democratic general assemblies who made this movement. The people without leaders and without just one clear message who came together to say enough is enough, to say give the government back to the people, and get Wall Street out of Washington. They are the heart and soul of the movement. They are the reason for any success. Not those future leaders.


Here is an interesting article about leaders.
What Are Leaders Really For?
By Duncan Watts

The Occupy Wall Street movement has both perplexed and frustrated observers and analysts by its persistent refusal to nominate an identifiable leadership who can in turn articulate a coherent agenda. What is the point, these critics wonder, of a movement that can't figure out where it's trying to go, and how can it get there without anyone to lead it?

It's a reasonable question, but it says at least as much about what we want from our social movements as it does about the way movements actually succeed.

Typically, the way we think of social change is some variant of the "great man" theory of history: that remarkable events are driven by correspondingly remarkable individuals whose vision and leadership inspire and coordinate the actions of the many. Sometimes these individuals occupy traditional roles of leadership, like presidents, CEOs, or generals, while at other times they emerge from the rank and file; but regardless of where they come from, their presence is necessary for real social change to begin. As Margaret Meade is supposed to have said: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

It's an inspiring idea, but over 100 years ago in his early classic of social psychology, "The Crowd," the French social critic Gustave LeBon, argued that the role of the leader was more subtle and indirect. According to LeBon, it was the crowd, not the princes and generals, that had become the driving force of social change. Leaders still mattered, but it wasn't because they themselves put their shoulders to the wheel of history; rather it was because they were quick to recognize the forces at work and adept at placing themselves in the forefront.

Even before LeBon, no less an observer of history than Tolstoy presented an even more jaundiced view of the great man theory. In a celebrated essay on Tolstoy's War and Peace, the philosopher Isaiah Berlin summed up Tolstoy's central insight this way: "the higher the soldiers or statesmen are in the pyramid of authority, the farther they must be from its base, which consists of those ordinary men and women whose lives are the actual stuff of history; and, consequently, the smaller the effect of the words and acts of such remote personages, despite all their theoretical authority, upon that history." According to Tolstoy, in other words, the accounts of historians are borderline fabrications, glossing over the vast majority of what actually happens in favor of a convenient storyline focused on the skill and leadership of the great generals.

Thinkers like Le Bon and Tolstoy and Berlin therefore lead us to a radically alternative hypothesis of social change: that successful movements succeed for reasons other than the presence of a great leader, who is as much a consequence of the movement's success as its cause. Explanations of historically important events that focus on the actions of a special few therefore misunderstand their true causes, which are invariably complex and often depend on the actions of a great many individuals whose names are lost to history.

Interestingly, in the natural world we don't find this sort of explanation controversial. When we hear that a raging forest fire has consumed millions of acres of California forest, we don't assume that there was anything special about the initial spark. Quite to the contrary, we understand that in context of the large-scale environmental conditions — prolonged drought, a buildup of flammable undergrowth, strong winds, rugged terrain, and on so — that truly drive fires, the nature of the spark itself is close to irrelevant.

Yet when it comes to the social equivalent of the forest fire, we do in effect insist that there must have been something special about the spark that started it. Because our experience tells us that leadership matters in small groups such as Army platoons or start-up companies, we assume that it matters in the same way for the very largest groups as well. Thus when we witness some successful movement or organization, it seems obvious to us that whoever the leader is, his or her particular combination of personality, vision, and leadership style must have supplied the critical X factor, where the larger and more successful the movement, the more important the leader will appear.

By refusing to name a leader, Occupy Wall Street presents a challenge to this view. With no one figure to credit or blame, with no face to put on a sprawling inchoate movement, and with no hierarchy of power, we simply don't know how to process what "it" is, and therefore how to think about it. And because this absence of a familiar personality-centric narrative makes us uncomfortable, we are tempted to reject the whole thing as somehow not real. Or instead, we insist that in order to be taken seriously, the movement must first change to reflect what we expect from serious organizations — namely a charismatic leader to whom we can attribute everything.

In the case of Occupy Wall Street, we will probably get our wish, for two reasons. First, if OWS grows large enough to deliver any lasting social change, some hierarchy will become necessary in order to coordinate its increasingly diverse activities; and a hierarchy by nature requires a leader. And second, precisely because the outside world wants a leader — to negotiate with, to hold responsible, and ultimately to lionize — the temptation to be that person will eventually prove irresistible.

Leaders, in other words, are necessary, but not because they are the source of social change. Rather their real function is to occupy the role that allows the rest of us to make sense of what is happening — just as Tolstoy suspected. For better and worse, telling stories is how we make sense of the world, and it's hard to tell a story without focal actors around which to center the action. But as we witness a succession of popular movements, from the Arab Spring to Occupy Wall Street, we can at least pause to appreciate the real story, which is the remarkable phenomenon of a great many ordinary individuals coming together to change the world.

[MsDemeanor]

This was on Crooks and Liars, a decidedly lefty liberal site.


Updated: The Shocking Truth About Naomi Wolf's Factless Assertions

In an article for The Guardian, Naomi Wolf wrote this:

In other words, for the DHS to be on a call with mayors, the logic of its chain of command and accountability implies that congressional overseers, with the blessing of the White House, told the DHS to authorise mayors to order their police forces – pumped up with millions of dollars of hardware and training from the DHS – to make war on peaceful citizens.

This follows the ongoing meme that DHS has coordinated the Occupy crackdowns on a national level; that they are orchestrating the violence behind the clearing of Zuccotti Park and others. Wolf carries this to her conclusion:

So, when you connect the dots, properly understood, what happened this week is the first battle in a civil war; a civil war in which, for now, only one side is choosing violence. It is a battle in which members of Congress, with the collusion of the American president, sent violent, organised suppression against the people they are supposed to represent. Occupy has touched the third rail: personal congressional profits streams. Even though they are, as yet, unaware of what the implications of their movement are, those threatened by the stirrings of their dreams of reform are not.

It's a factless, incendiary assertion dripping in hyperbole, grounded in speculation that's been going on for a couple of weeks now. It began with a tweet. A tweet from Michael Moore speculating that the coordination seemed like something being coordinated by DHS and sanctioned, nay, possibly even requested, by the Obama administration.
Here are the two links Wolf provides as evidence: One to Wonkette; the other toWashingtonsblog.com. Both articles point back to this absurd article on the Examiner.com site (a very, very right-wing Phil Anschutz, write-out-of-your-butt-with-no-evidence kind of site). Washingtons Blog goes one step further, updating with this:

(And for those who are understandably doubtful about Examiner.com as a news source,here’s an AP story from a couple hours ago that verifies everything except the specific mention of DHS coordination.)

Got that? The headlines on both of these stories (Wonkette and Washingtons Blog) were splayed across the sites in very large heading fonts: “Homeland Security Coordinated….” and yet the AP confirms everything BUT DHS coordination. Still, that didn’t stop Wolf from ignoring the AP story entirely and writing a piece for the Guardian that included links to bolster her argument that are as factless as her hyperbole, and stem from right-wing sites with anonymous sources.
No one has a source, no one has any evidence, and the originating story which Michael Moore and now Naomi Wolf breathlessly spread quotes an anonymous source with the promise of still more to come in the future, from a "reporter" for Examiner.com who no one seems to know. Miraculously, this "reporter" got a tip from DHS that no national reporter received, and even though Mr. Ellis walks back his original accusation, he promises updates in the future. Well, it’s the future. It’s two weeks later and crickets from Mr. Ellis. Mission accomplished, though. Ask people who are paying attention to the OWS movement and they’ll swear up and down that yes, it was coordinated by DHS because MICHAEL MOORE and now NAOMI WOLF say so.
Truth: We don’t know. It isn’t completely out of the realm of possibility for mayors to consult with DHS. After all, that’s what they’re there for. To help local and state governments deal with threats, real, rumored or perceived. At best, one can conclude that maybe they did, and maybe they didn’t coordinate, and if they did coordinate, no one knows to what extent they did or whether there was any sort of "blessing" and/or mandate from DHS to what they ultimately chose to do.
The best anyone can say is "maybe". But if Wolf were not trying to stoke an international narrative she has chosen, she would have had a look at Portland, where there is some evidence that DHS was consulted because the occupiers were adjacent to federal land.

There is another line of thinking out there that runs directly counter to the federal-coordination theory: Ruiz wouldn’t comment on this, but one well-placed city source said, in fact, that the feds were mostly inclined to leave Schrunk Plaza open. It was city officials who cajoled them into getting on board—lest they watch most of Occupy’s camp merely move several hundred feet south onto federal land. Which would have been awkward for the city. But also interesting.

Should you accept as fact the idea that the feds were reluctant and the city pushed them along? NO. Why? Because it’s attributed to an anonymous source with nothing to back it up, which makes this theory as worthy as the DHS coordination theory, or just speculation with no facts behind it.
Josh Holland at AlterNet also notes:

Ironically, the occupation that arguably maintains the best relationship with local officials is Occupy DC, and the Washington, DC government is directly overseen by Congress.

Look, if DHS somehow instructed these cities to dress up their cops in riot gear, pepper spray kneeling protesters, use billy clubs to keep them from crossing imaginary borders, and ultimately throw the lot of them out, then yes, by all means shake your fist. But it's irresponsible for Wolf to publish such incendiary accusations -- accusations of real, physical civil war -- in an international publication, to cite magical articles with unsourced accusations and call it fact. Some might actually call it a lie.
Wolf's hyperbole does harm to the OWS movement and those honest people out there conducting themselves peacefully and with clear intent, because she intentionally tried to stir the fires of anger and discontent and anti-government sentiment on an international level. She should have to either retract or clarify her accusations.
Update Joshua Holland has written his own excellent response to Wolf's specific accusations.

When you don’t “connect” wholly disparate “dots,” what you get is far less dramatic. Mayors in a handful of cities, responding to local political pressures, decided to break up their local occupations — decisions that were announced to the press well in advance — and were advised as to how best to do so.
One doesn’t have to like that fact to recognize that it’s hardly shocking, and anything but a sinister assault on local communities’ autonomy.

Also, regarding PERF's* involvement, an interview with the director in The Boston Phoenix:

But what is PERF? And what role, if any, did it play in the police actions? According to PERF Executive Director Chuck Wexler, not the one he had hoped.
His organization is more concerned with improving police practices and policies, he said. He cited a report PERF published in June, which gives advice that runs exactly counter to how Occupy has been handled in most cities — emphasizing communication, respect for the First Amendment, and avoidance of violent methods at nearly all cost.
"Over the years, we've taken on racially biased policing, violent crime, the Gates-Crowley thing in Cambridge," he said. "It's not always pretty, and it's not easy, but I think we owe it to the public to identify best practices."

*PERF is the Police Executives' Research Forum, a group who views themselves as a progressive organization dedicated to reducing police brutality and establishing best practices for police officers in various situations. Until recently, they've been a big target of the right wing for their support of gun control laws.

[Diavolo]

Unless you make over $343k per year in the US, you are the 99%. Carrying the water for the billionaires is just the height of self loathing.

Change is messy. It doesn't happen overnight. I know the camps are working very hard at being neater and I know that the leadership of the camps are trying to keep the alcohol, drugs and weapons and violence out of the camps. For the most part, they are doing a good job. A couple of anecdotal stories here and there don't amount to much in the greater scheme of things.

You can't hold the camps to a higher standard than any other event, unless you're Fox.

Consider this knucklehead.

There is a lot at stake here. I'm sorry that it's inconvenient for a couple of you to walk around an encampment. Or maybe you have to go to another park. For me, it's damned inconvenient to pay 35% of my income in taxes while billionaires pay an average of 11%. Some pay zero. I'll step over, drive around and come back later in support of the Occupy protestors. They are fighting for me. And I will support small business because I am a small business too. If we support each other we will all thrive.

Ciaran, if you didn't lose your house, you partner, your dog and your job, all you lost was on paper and that just doesn't matter. Sorry. It doesn't. I've lost a several hundred thousand dollars, so what? I also lost my job, but I still have my house and my dogs so I consider myself one of the lucky ones.

In my line of work I've met people that are completely broken with no where to turn. Unless you've been on the front line in this country, you don't know. I met a woman last week who lost her job and her house. She has spent her remaining funds boarding her St. Bernard. She's out of money and has to find him a new home. She's sitting out front of the local grocery store with a rescue organization trying to find a good home for her dog. She's nearly 60 and has been couch surfing since she lost her home. Now she's losing her dog too. That is someone who has lost it all. That's who the Occupiers are fighting for and I wholeheartedly support them.

[persiphone]

Anonymous hacks cops coordinating Occupy evictions – PERF goes down
Published on November 21, 2011
8:43 pm by Nenad


Sunday, Anonymous hacktivists assaulted PERF because of their alleged involvement in coordinating police crackdowns on Occupy protests across the country.

Anonymous hacktivists assaulted PERF, the Police Executive Research Forum, by taking down their website and releasing the private information of Sherwin B. “Chuck” Wexler – Executive Director at PERF.
PERF is a private but extremely influential national, non-governmental organization with close ties to law enforcement agencies across the country, as well as the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. The group allegedly orchestrated and coordinated the sometimes brutal police crack down on Occupy Wall Street, and other Occupy movements across the country.
After several news organizations identified PERF as being responsible for advising and coordinating the police crackdowns resulting in Occupy evictions and other brutalities, the hivemind of the nebulous and notorious international Internet collective known as Anonymous began to swarm, and sting.
After feeling the sting of Anonymous, PERF released a statement on Sunday denying the allegations that they are working behind the scenes coordinating the sometimes brutal evictions of Occupy gatherings across the country. The following is an excerpt from that statement:
Over the last few days, the Police Executive Research Forum has been the subject of several false articles and blog postings alleging that we have been coordinating police crackdowns on Occupy protests. This is not true.
Yet after offering a flat denial of coordinating police activity, the announcement goes on to admit that “PERF conducted two conference calls” with metropolitan police chiefs across the country concerning police response to the Occupy movement. Rather than strengthening their denial, the admission that PERF was conducting conference calls only strengthens the case that PERF was involved in advising and coordinating the police crackdown on the Occupy movement.



right on

[Ciaran]

Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa

Big ****ing deal! This is the way the frustrated and disadvantagd lobby, in the streets. It has been played out many times in history and will, whether you like it or not. This is a shaming and elitist attitude to have.

Rubbish. Rather, it's elitest for this "movement" to talk of being the 99%.

Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa

I'm sorry the "litter" in front of St. Paul's does'nt fit into your neat little idealogical box, but the very social fabric of our civilization is being torn apart due to the waste, corruption, extortion, unaccountability, and unfettered greed behind closed doors by those at the very top and their stubborness in refusing to address these issues, preferring personal gain at the expense of long-term social stability. Clean up this corruption at the top and put these people in jail instead of the OWS campers. "Litter" in the streets is small potatoes compared to corporate and purchasable.gov. and their wasteful spending.

Desecration of a church is something I don't like. I won't apologise for that. It's not about an "ideeological box" whatever the **** that is.

Very over dramatic to talk of "the very social frabric of our civilisation is being torn apart", esp given that the unfettered greed and selfishness has existed since God created Adam & Eve. It didn't originate from the 2007 / 2008 financial crisis and it won't end once the Occupy movement burns itself out in early 2012.

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by Ciaran

Rubbish. Rather, it's elitest for this "movement" to talk of being the 99%.



Desecration of a church is something I don't like. I won't apologise for that. It's not about an "ideeological box" whatever the **** that is.

Very over dramatic to talk of "the very social frabric of our civilisation is being torn apart", esp given that the unfettered greed and selfishness has existed since God created Adam & Eve. It didn't originate from the 2007 / 2008 financial crisis and it won't end once the Occupy movement burns itself out in early 2012.

If the churches (Kings of Columbus and LDS) hadn't banded together in California to push through an agenda of hate in the form of Proposition 8 I might feel differently, but if you're going to get in the muck, you'd better be ready to get dirty. The churches gave up their right to feign desecration when they funded an election to take away my right to marry the person of my choice. Game over.

[persiphone]

[BstlMyhart]

i was talking about the reactions of police to a corrections officer i know (and hopefully hy'll post about it *hint hint nudge nudge*) and basically our police force is not trained on how to deal with protests of this magnitude and are only trained in how to deal with rioting. hence, the riot response to a peaceful protest. my question is....now that they've used riot response tactics on peaceful protesters....will they step back and start practicing tactful responses to a peaceful protest rather than the overkill we've seen up to this point? i think that's what will define which road this is going to go down. i'm afraid that the police reactions are just going to escalate the violence and i'm afraid that this is actually the point, so that they have an excuse to continue along these lines of force and brutality.
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".....one of the three femmes of the apocalypse"
Ok Persi…here it is.
I am in law enforcement. Although my area is in corrections, I do understand the actions of police during their conflict with the protestors of the Occupy Movement…NO I do not agree with some of law enforcement’s behavior.
Throughout history, anytime a police force is assembled to disperse a crowd, it WAS because a riot was taking place. People’s lives were at stake by members of society, property was being destroyed, and communities were under siege.
Yes, the “Sit In” protests of the Civil Rights Movement were intended to be nonviolent in nature. However, most of those protests took place in the south, where the vast majority of the police force was white, and did not agree with the movement and had the approval of a higher authority (Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus…Alabaman Governor George Wallace) and therefore were allowed to use brute force against those peaceful protestors.
We are taught levels of force.
1. Show of Force…a large number of responding units displaying their badge of office.
2. Verbal Commands…self explanatory…orders to disperse.
3. Chemical Agents…though unpopular they are effective in dispersing a crowd without causing long term physical harm.
Those are the first 3 steps and I don’t know of ANY officer who hopes an incident will escalate from there. Law enforcement agencies have not been taught a different way to deal with true peaceful protests. They are simply following orders…if they don’t they may well lose their livelihood…their families would then suffer the repercussions. I believe that no one involved with the Occupy Movement would want that to happen. New training must be implemented to assist these officers to do their job effectively in a new way.

Here is an example of doing to what we did, what we know now, and how many agencies (where I live) have evolved to deal with people who have mental illness.

Most psychiatric hospitals were shut down in the 1970s. The thinking was that money could be saved and those who needed care could and would receive it through local community programs. What has happened is that most did not have the follow up care they needed, they were not monitored to ensure they were taking their medications properly, and fell through all the cracks. At that point, those with mental illness found themselves getting into trouble and the population in prisons and jails nationally has increased to the point where those individuals now make up 50% of all those incarcerated. Over 1.26 million people incarcerated suffer from some sort of mental illness with 20% classified as “severe”.

By and large, force was the only way anyone in law enforcement knew how to control an “unruly” person, either by a patrol officer or a corrections officer. We now receive training on how to approach these individuals, “talk them down” when they are escalating, how to speak with them in a manner in which they won’t feel threatened to be able to help them, and how not to be afraid of the term “mental illness”.

Regarding mental health disorders….we know better so we do better.

This is the case with the Occupy Movement. Law enforcement has always been called to protect the community from uprisings, to protect lives and property in those times, and as always at a danger to themselves.

We show up in riot gear because the past has taught us that we are a prime target for violence and we must protect ourselves…someone loves us too and wants us home safe. And there’s always a bad apple on any side of an issue.

I believe in the right to assemble…though I don’t think our forefathers added, “For a permit fee” into the Constitution. I believe new training must be implemented to address the Occupy gatherings in an effective manner with much less force when possible.

I believe when we know better…we do better.

[Ciaran]

Originally Posted by Diavolo

The churches gave up their right to feign desecration when they funded an election to take away my right to marry the person of my choice. Game over.

There's no game over as that would suggest you've won some sort of victory. You haven't. Desecration is desecration is desecration.

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by BstlMyhart

I believe in the right to assemble…though I don’t think our forefathers added, “For a permit fee” into the Constitution. I believe new training must be implemented to address the Occupy gatherings in an effective manner with much less force when possible.

I believe when we know better…we do better.

The quote of the day. Straight up.

[persiphone]

Originally Posted by Ciaran

There's no game over as that would suggest you've won some sort of victory. You haven't. Desecration is desecration is desecration.

like the desecration of childrens lives at the hands of pedophiles in priests robes. seems like it comes from both sides and the church has never struck me as a victim of anything throughout history.

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by Ciaran

There's no game over as that would suggest you've won some sort of victory. You haven't. Desecration is desecration is desecration.

It's an American colloquial term, referring to the end of a video game. I haven't won a thing. As a matter of fact, we all lose.

The church has no right after what they did to us in California. None. They have no right in America after they allowed the protests at the funerals of fallen soldiers. They lose the right to absolution from desecration in this country by their behavior. When it's all said and done, St. Peter is going to look at these clowns and ask them why in the world they think they should be allowed past the pearly gates because they have not followed God's word. Perhaps the church has behaved better in England. Oh no, that can't be it, that's why we're here in the America in the first place.

[SoNotHer]

Diavolo - "Unless you make over $343k per year in the US, you are the 99%. Carrying the water for the billionaires is just the height of self loathing."

So well said I had to reread it a couple times.

"Change is messy. It doesn't happen overnight."

Yes, as a good friend recently said, few protests if any or change don't come without a mess.

"Ciaran, if you didn't lose your house, you partner, your dog and your job, all you lost was on paper and that just doesn't matter. Sorry. It doesn't. I've lost a several hundred thousand dollars, so what? I also lost my job, but I still have my house and my dogs so I consider myself one of the lucky ones.

In my line of work I've met people that are completely broken with no where to turn. Unless you've been on the front line in this country, you don't know. I met a woman last week who lost her job and her house. She has spent her remaining funds boarding her St. Bernard. She's out of money and has to find him a new home. She's sitting out front of the local grocery store with a rescue organization trying to find a good home for her dog. She's nearly 60 and has been couch surfing since she lost her home. Now she's losing her dog too. That is someone who has lost it all. That's who the Occupiers are fighting for and I wholeheartedly support them."

This breaks my heart. Pets are one more casualty in the financial free fall we are in. I found an elderly dog abandoned in a park this afternoon where I shoot at an archery range. I was not happy to find this older golden retriever - disabled, losing hair, drooling and clearly dumped by a boat ramp.

Two things -

1) kudos to the woman you met, Diavolo, for doing the right thing for her dog, and I hope she gets a real break soon. There are people right now making very hard choices about pets and housing and medications and families. I feel for them.

and

2) kudos to the two officers who came out to help me with this dog and the animal control officer who volunteered on his day off when the dispatcher told him what I had reported. Whatever the person's economic situation, I make no excuses for what I saw today when I know at the very least dropping this dog off at the humane society or veterinarian's office less than 10 minutes away would have at least ensured that this dog did not lie in a park in the rain waiting for death by starvation, exposure or coyotes.

I have great respect for emergency responders who face difficult situations some times on a daily basis and face them with grace and compassion. And I have great respect for those who see and understand that social and economic justice is the essential foundation of peace and progress.

[greeneyedgrrl]

Originally Posted by BstlMyhart

Throughout history, anytime a police force is assembled to disperse a crowd, it WAS because a riot was taking place. People’s lives were at stake by members of society, property was being destroyed, and communities were under siege.
Yes, the “Sit In” protests of the Civil Rights Movement were intended to be nonviolent in nature. However, most of those protests took place in the south, where the vast majority of the police force was white, and did not agree with the movement and had the approval of a higher authority (Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus…Alabaman Governor George Wallace) and therefore were allowed to use brute force against those peaceful protestors.
We are taught levels of force.
1. Show of Force…a large number of responding units displaying their badge of office.
2. Verbal Commands…self explanatory…orders to disperse.
3. Chemical Agents…though unpopular they are effective in dispersing a crowd without causing long term physical harm.
Those are the first 3 steps and I don’t know of ANY officer who hopes an incident will escalate from there. Law enforcement agencies have not been taught a different way to deal with true peaceful protests. They are simply following orders…if they don’t they may well lose their livelihood…their families would then suffer the repercussions. I believe that no one involved with the Occupy Movement would want that to happen. New training must be implemented to assist these officers to do their job effectively in a new way.

thank you for speaking to this. while some of the officers may hold your view, i have talked to several officers in my state who have a different viewpoint... that seems to be that the ows are wasting everyone's time, money and energy and should go home and if they don't they deserve and should expect a violent smack down from the pd. i would love to believe that it is just a lack of training, but having known at least one of these officers (she is my cousin, unfortunately) i have to say that this is how she thought prior to becoming part of the police department. i believe that it goes much deeper than training, it is who the pd recruits, allows to wear a badge, it is the qualities and behaviors in the officers that are nurtured and encouraged. in cali (at least) it seems that officers that show a penchant for violence and power are promoted and rewarded. imho my cousin has NO business whatsoever wearing a badge and carrying a gun. her language is violent, angry and racist, she boasts about the power of her position, and quite frankly i am very glad that she lives some 400 miles away from me, but i know that there are many more out there like her. i know more officers like her. i also see from posts like yours that there are people in law enforcement who are not, and it gives me hope.

i see it as a complex problem:

that there has been some violence at occupy events (whether or not it was committed by occupiers is a whole other issue since the police still have to deal with it and it makes it more difficult for them to see the movement as nonviolent)

that there is space in current law enforcement systems for people like my cousin who are prone to violent behavior prior to training

that in the current system violence is used and expected (no/inadequate training on how to handle non-violent protests)

that the systems of inequality (that were present during the civil rights movement) are still intact

that the general public has been desensitized to violence

that politicians and the powers that be have a vested interest in keeping status quo and not reforming the system of law enforcement as it stands

coordinated (and illegal) federal involvement in local issues

and fear...fear on the part of the pd, on the part of the people and on the part of the corporations and politicians. i think fear is at the root of all of this. the fear of not having enough, the fear of losing what you have, the fear of getting hurt or killed.. it all comes down to fear and until people get out of the part of their brains that humans use when in fear, the ability to think rationally or critically, have understanding, compassion, empathy or any of the other wonderful things that humans are capable of is not possible. i don't know how it is that this system is going to be changed or by whom, but i know that a shift in thinking (and getting out of fear) will be key.

i really hope that you will continue to be part of this discussion as i think that your insights are valuable.

[Gráinne]

Just for the record, St. Paul's is non-denominational, not Roman Catholic.

You name it, any of the three major religions have committed social injustices and atrocities. No arguments. But I'll be darned if anyone wants to make a trash heap out of a place of worship; that I can't abide. To me, it's the same kind of disrespect as ruining a synagogue.

[kannon]

I read some of the media reports about the desecration of St. Paul. One headline reads: Desecration, defecation and class A drugs: Children found living in squalor at St Paul's protest camp

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1esKfxLdh

I didn't see any incidences of actual violence. "They are afraid" that violence is likely due to the growing numbers of "vulnerable" populations. Vulnerable being people with mental illnesses. I love the way they perpetuate the stigma that there is a relationship between the mentally ill and violence. That's total rubbish. Further propaganda or scare tactics: the smell of marijuana. Seriously? Of all the drugs, marijuana is probably the most effective at quelling a violent uproar.
Instead of pepper spray, the police should try passing around a joint. And the uptight police should be required to take a couple of tokes themselves.

[BstlMyhart]

thank you for speaking to this. while some of the officers may hold your view, i have talked to several officers in my state who have a different viewpoint... that seems to be that the ows are wasting everyone's time, money and energy and should go home and if they don't they deserve and should expect a violent smack down from the pd. i would love to believe that it is just a lack of training, but having known at least one of these officers (she is my cousin, unfortunately) i have to say that this is how she thought prior to becoming part of the police department. i believe that it goes much deeper than training, it is who the pd recruits, allows to wear a badge, it is the qualities and behaviors in the officers that are nurtured and encouraged. in cali (at least) it seems that officers that show a penchant for violence and power are promoted and rewarded. imho my cousin has NO business whatsoever wearing a badge and carrying a gun. her language is violent, angry and racist, she boasts about the power of her position, and quite frankly i am very glad that she lives some 400 miles away from me, but i know that there are many more out there like her. i know more officers like her. i also see from posts like yours that there are people in law enforcement who are not, and it gives me hope.

greeneyedgrrl



I do know there are those in law enforcement that believe that brute force is always the answer...and they thrive on it. However, I do not have that mentality, nor do many of my co-workers nor the vast majority of the people in law enforcement in my area. There will always be those who go overboard, or want to, when it comes to using force. It is up to the rest of us to stop the culprit when it is out of order and not justified. Luckily, we have those in my facility who aren't afraid to step in and stop those actions when warranted. Ultimately, it falls on the shoulders of supervisors, higher ranking officers, to maintain the humanity of law enforcement. That is the training needed at this point for the Occupy protests...find a better way to handle the situation at hand to do your job and do it effectively.
I have promoted through the ranks and am now a Lieutenant. I did not earn this because I can "kick ass" if need be. I earned it because I use the most important muscle in my aresonal first...my brain.
The tide is changing...it still needs encouragement to continue to do so.
And yes there is fear on our part...as I said, WE want to go home at the end of our shift safe. I have been trained how to maintain my selfcontrol when in fear for my life without severly hurting or killing anyone...I believe anyone can.