Trans News/ Issues

Nadeest · 04-02-2012, 05:23 PM

Thanks for passing this info on. My roommate just got her name changed today, and I go to court for mine at the end of the month. We both have student loans out, as well.

MsTinkerbelly · 04-13-2012, 08:00 AM

I'll post more if I can get a hold of a print story later, but in a nutshell...

The police in LA are no longer allowed to call anyone Maam, Sir, or even question gender. If a person is Trans they will now be housed in the women's jail regardless of being male or female for saftey purposes.

The story was on news radio on my way in to work, so that is what I have for now.

Nadeest · 04-13-2012, 08:30 AM

Interesting. Thank you for posting this. It sounds like this action was the result of a lawsuit of some kind. Also, it sounds like some judge got PISSED at someone's transphobic actions. In a lot of ways, I hope that this is accurate. As a transwoman, I feel that it is great for us, but how about for the transmales? What do y'all think about this?

Thinker · 04-13-2012, 09:52 AM

These two articles give good information. The jail piece says that transgender individuals will be held in the women's jail BUT in a section reserved for transgender individuals (up to 24 people).

With regard to addressing individuals, the department encourages officers to go with how the individual presents him/herself (clothing, language, demeanor) and bans frisking for the sole purpose of determining anatomical sex.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...stops-searches

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...ansgender.html

Nadeest · 04-13-2012, 06:28 PM

This is excellent news. Now TG people will, hopefully, be a lot more safe, when waiting to see the judge, in LA. I hope that the Los Angeles County Sheriff's department soon starts following this same policy. As it stands, they are safe until they see the judge, after that, all bets are off.

EnderD_503 · 04-13-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nadeest

Interesting. Thank you for posting this. It sounds like this action was the result of a lawsuit of some kind. Also, it sounds like some judge got PISSED at someone's transphobic actions. In a lot of ways, I hope that this is accurate. As a transwoman, I feel that it is great for us, but how about for the transmales? What do y'all think about this?

I'm skeptical about it. Having the location situated in a women's prison supposedly for the sake of safety in a way seems a bit of a denial of transmale identity. The main issue that puts transguys who are on T or who pass decently at risk in male prisons are basically mandatory "public" strip searches upon entering the prison and before/after court dates. If male prisons started handling strip searches with more sensitivity and especially were more sensitive toward transmale prisoners, they could in many ways at least partially avoid the risk of outing a guy and putting him in a dangerous situation.

Ultimately, I think there should be a choice whether a guy feels safest in a male prison or in a designated trans block in a women's prison.

~ocean · 04-13-2012, 08:03 PM

that is deff another way to look at the issue

Nadeest · 04-13-2012, 09:25 PM

I can definitely see that, EnderD. Nor can I blame you at all for it. I certainly didn't like staying at a men's shelter, when I didn't have a place to stay, yet I had to, at least until I got some help.

EnderD_503 · 04-14-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nadeest

I can definitely see that, EnderD. Nor can I blame you at all for it. I certainly didn't like staying at a men's shelter, when I didn't have a place to stay, yet I had to, at least until I got some help.

Transguys I know (on T) who stayed in male prisons have basically said it was strip searches that compromised their safety primarily. Having to be paraded naked in front of other inmates who were being brought in or out to court dates. Personally, I'm 100% for the ethical treatment of prisoners and think there's a lot of shit that needs to change, including providing inmates with secluded strip searches if you're going to put people through that to begin with.

DapperButch · 04-14-2012, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by EnderD_503

Ultimately, I think there should be a choice whether a guy feels safest in a male prison or in a designated trans block in a women's prison.

I like the idea of choice for the transmale.

Nadeest · 04-14-2012, 07:58 AM

Um, from the few times that I have stayed in jail, I haven't really observed much in the way of choice, for inmates.

04-13-2012, 08:00 AM	#2
MsTinkerbelly Timed Out - TOS Drama How Do You Identify?: ... Preferred Pronoun?: ... Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ... Posts: 6,573 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 30,737 Thanked 22,907 Times in 5,017 Posts Rep Power: 0	Trans persons and the police in Los Angeles I'll post more if I can get a hold of a print story later, but in a nutshell... The police in LA are no longer allowed to call anyone Maam, Sir, or even question gender. If a person is Trans they will now be housed in the women's jail regardless of being male or female for saftey purposes. The story was on news radio on my way in to work, so that is what I have for now.

04-13-2012, 09:52 AM	#4
Thinker Senior Member How Do You Identify?: transman Preferred Pronoun?: male Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,868 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 710 Thanked 4,133 Times in 1,079 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	These two articles give good information. The jail piece says that transgender individuals will be held in the women's jail BUT in a section reserved for transgender individuals (up to 24 people). With regard to addressing individuals, the department encourages officers to go with how the individual presents him/herself (clothing, language, demeanor) and bans frisking for the sole purpose of determining anatomical sex. http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...stops-searches http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...ansgender.html __________________ Practice humility and kindness.

04-02-2012, 05:23 PM	#1
Nadeest Member How Do You Identify?: as myself Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Leesburg, FL Posts: 595 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,876 Thanked 2,118 Times in 501 Posts Rep Power: 17077997	Thanks for passing this info on. My roommate just got her name changed today, and I go to court for mine at the end of the month. We both have student loans out, as well.

04-13-2012, 08:30 AM	#3
Nadeest Member How Do You Identify?: as myself Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Leesburg, FL Posts: 595 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,876 Thanked 2,118 Times in 501 Posts Rep Power: 17077997	Interesting. Thank you for posting this. It sounds like this action was the result of a lawsuit of some kind. Also, it sounds like some judge got PISSED at someone's transphobic actions. In a lot of ways, I hope that this is accurate. As a transwoman, I feel that it is great for us, but how about for the transmales? What do y'all think about this?

04-13-2012, 06:28 PM	#5
Nadeest Member How Do You Identify?: as myself Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Leesburg, FL Posts: 595 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,876 Thanked 2,118 Times in 501 Posts Rep Power: 17077997	This is excellent news. Now TG people will, hopefully, be a lot more safe, when waiting to see the judge, in LA. I hope that the Los Angeles County Sheriff's department soon starts following this same policy. As it stands, they are safe until they see the judge, after that, all bets are off.

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04-13-2012, 09:25 PM	#8
Nadeest Member How Do You Identify?: as myself Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Leesburg, FL Posts: 595 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,876 Thanked 2,118 Times in 501 Posts Rep Power: 17077997	I can definitely see that, EnderD. Nor can I blame you at all for it. I certainly didn't like staying at a men's shelter, when I didn't have a place to stay, yet I had to, at least until I got some help.

04-14-2012, 07:58 AM	#11
Nadeest Member How Do You Identify?: as myself Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Leesburg, FL Posts: 595 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,876 Thanked 2,118 Times in 501 Posts Rep Power: 17077997	Um, from the few times that I have stayed in jail, I haven't really observed much in the way of choice, for inmates.