Have you met or know a psychopath/sociopath?

[Glenn]

The facade these psychopaths can keep up is really something to behold. I am in a heated discussion right now on another board about a certain semi famous "holy man" who has been well-versed in the sacred science of Kriya Yoga. He is seemingly very meek, humble, intelligent and magnetic....but he was kicked out of our ashram for sexual abuse, siphoning funds, bothering devotees for money they did not have, and re-editing our Holy Scriptures among other things. He has started another commune elsewhere, and his current devotees are having a hard time believing us because he seems so full of wisdom and enlightenment even though we have shown them court documents.

[mariamma]

Originally Posted by Glenn

The facade these psychopaths can keep up is really something to behold. I am in a heated discussion right now on another board about a certain semi famous "holy man" who has been well-versed in the sacred science of Kriya Yoga. He is seemingly very meek, humble, intelligent and magnetic....but he was kicked out of our ashram for sexual abuse, siphoning funds, bothering devotees for money they did not have, and re-editing our Holy Scriptures among other things. He has started another commune elsewhere, and his current devotees are having a hard time believing us because he seems so full of wisdom and enlightenment

I keep coming across dopamine in these cases. Dopamine makes you love, want, crave, halts development (ask an alcoholic, a cocaine or speed user, they stop developing emotionally while using) but dopamine is a bottomless pit of wanting if you push it that far. AND many parasites mess with our dopamine levels in order to get us to do things. Candida, possibly rabies but definitely toxoplasm gondii do. Energetic parasites will ride and consume energetic people and drain them into dry husks. They are similar to demons of possession.
His new 'people' will eventually figure it out. This is why women are spiritual leaders historically. We want everyone to be happy (serotonin focused) instead of everyone pouring love (dopamine) into us.

[Lady Pamela]

Bumping to see if anyone else wants to add anything.

[rustedrims]

First i will start with saying to June I Am Sorry.Think i used the wrong words.This is about my sister and not anyone in here.

I dont know where to start.My older sister has always thought she was right in everything she did and said.She was right!Always! There was no reasoning with her.

[morningstar55]

Originally Posted by Lady Pamela

Bumping to see if anyone else wants to add anything.

Wow. .... ur story just , gave me sm tears glad u were able 2 get away.

[Lady Pamela]

Originally Posted by morningstar55

Wow. .... ur story just , gave me sm tears glad u were able 2 get away.

Thank you so much.

Now I devote alot of time with others to keep them safe from people like this.
Or to make them aware they are even in true danger.
So good has become of this for many.

[Mrs Arcstriker]

I've only met one person who fits the description of sociopath. His name was Michael Ross. He was a serial killer that lived in my town. You can google his name and see a documentary where he speaks of killing two of my sister's childhood friends...

Because I actually knew a sociopath, I am hardpressed to be an arm-chair psychiatrist and give you my opinion about others who have crossed pathes with me.

I think it is a slippery slope to arm-chair diagnose anybody, or lump them into a definition that you find on Wikipedia.

The one sociopath that I knew in my life was a serial killer and he was put to death by lethal injection on May 13, 2005...

LS and AB...I think of you always.

[rustedrims]

First i will start with saying to June I Am Sorry.Think i used the wrong words.This is about my sister and not anyone in here.

I dont know where to start.My older sister has always thought she was right in everything she did and said.She was right!Always! There was no reasoning with her.With her being like that she was very limited on people that were her friend.She only had 2 people in school that stuck by her.Today neither one of them want to be around her.

As time passes and i learn her habits and what she has done with her life i do see that there is something wrong with her.She has lost her husband which she put through a living hell.I think we could have been friends if it wasnt for her interfearing and telling stories to us and about us.She has lost her job of 25 years.She kept calling in sick when she didnt want to be responsible for making a living.She has lost her house because she just quit making the payment.She has lost her daughter because she doesnt have a home to raise her in.Now she has lost her family.Everyone in the family doesnt want her to be around them in support of me and what she is putting me through.

I have read everything in this Thread and all the extras and it is her.There was one story that is very similar to mine.She physcially attack me and i was defending myself.I never hit her.She was scratching at my face,ear,chin and scratches on my upper chest.Then with her kicking me with her foot then her knee when she knocked me off balance.Bruses on my side,back and leg.She called 911 and put Domestic Violence on me.She filled out a police report as did my niece and my dad.All 3 of them lied and that got me a night in jail.My dad and the kid was in the kitchen.They never saw it start but both said they did and i started it.My bail was $4,000 cash.I called my older sister and she was able to get that out of my savings.Ok now i am pissed,she is in my money.She put a restraining order on me.Went to court i said no then a protection order is on me over lapping the restraining order.What?Ok waited that out now i have to plea for something i didnt do just to get this over with.I agree to a plea that is equal to littering.Really!I still have 10 days of jail hanging over my head until April 11th 2013.
My dad always told us kids growing up to stick up for each other and not to lie.My brother went over there to see what was going on and he said my dad was shaking real bad.Not normal for him.He was upset with my sister.The whole insident was based on a lie.I think that got the best of him.He ended up dieing 13 days later because of a massive heart attack.I had to have a paper signed by the courts in my pocket at all times so i could go to my dads funeral.That was to protect me from my sister putting me back in jail.That cost me $225.00 to have my Lawyer draw that up.Really!Thought funerals were free.

Now she has stalking on me.I saw her once since the funeral.She drove by my house and by my moms house and i saw her both times.Went to court about that.She was going to press the stalking charges on me.After i said i saw her doing drive by's she changed her mind and now we are going to get a moderator.Still yet another protection order on me.That order is a waste of paper.I do not like her or am not intrested in ever comming in contact with her again.Ever!

She is homeless now and i do not know where she is staying and i dont care.I have gotten a few phone calls of people telling me where she is so i dont go on that end of town.They are making me aware she is in the area.That i am greatfull for.I stay away.

Everything i read about this type of personality is her to the letter.Charming and controlling.She has lost control of her own life and is making an attempt at controlling mine.She is not and will not controll me or any part of me.I see very clearly now that i am a target/victom and not her sister.That i feel sad about.We were very close growing up and as adults.I do miss that.

Sorry this was a little long and Thank You for reading.

Sheila.

[Lady Pamela]

Originally Posted by rustedrims

First i will start with saying to June I Am Sorry.Think i used the wrong words.This is about my sister and not anyone in here.

I dont know where to start.My older sister has always thought she was right in everything she did and said.She was right!Always! There was no reasoning with her.With her being like that she was very limited on people that were her friend.She only had 2 people in school that stuck by her.Today neither one of them want to be around her.

As time passes and i learn her habits and what she has done with her life i do see that there is something wrong with her.She has lost her husband which she put through a living hell.I think we could have been friends if it wasnt for her interfearing and telling stories to us and about us.She has lost her job of 25 years.She kept calling in sick when she didnt want to be responsible for making a living.She has lost her house because she just quit making the payment.She has lost her daughter because she doesnt have a home to raise her in.Now she has lost her family.Everyone in the family doesnt want her to be around them in support of me and what she is putting me through.

I have read everything in this Thread and all the extras and it is her.There was one story that is very similar to mine.She physcially attack me and i was defending myself.I never hit her.She was scratching at my face,ear,chin and scratches on my upper chest.Then with her kicking me with her foot then her knee when she knocked me off balance.Bruses on my side,back and leg.She called 911 and put Domestic Violence on me.She filled out a police report as did my niece and my dad.All 3 of them lied and that got me a night in jail.My dad and the kid was in the kitchen.They never saw it start but both said they did and i started it.My bail was $4,000 cash.I called my older sister and she was able to get that out of my savings.Ok now i am pissed,she is in my money.She put a restraining order on me.Went to court i said no then a protection order is on me over lapping the restraining order.What?Ok waited that out now i have to plea for something i didnt do just to get this over with.I agree to a plea that is equal to littering.Really!I still have 10 days of jail hanging over my head until April 11th 2013.
My dad always told us kids growing up to stick up for each other and not to lie.My brother went over there to see what was going on and he said my dad was shaking real bad.Not normal for him.He was upset with my sister.The whole insident was based on a lie.I think that got the best of him.He ended up dieing 13 days later because of a massive heart attack.I had to have a paper signed by the courts in my pocket at all times so i could go to my dads funeral.That was to protect me from my sister putting me back in jail.That cost me $225.00 to have my Lawyer draw that up.Really!Thought funerals were free.

Now she has stalking on me.I saw her once since the funeral.She drove by my house and by my moms house and i saw her both times.Went to court about that.She was going to press the stalking charges on me.After i said i saw her doing drive by's she changed her mind and now we are going to get a moderator.Still yet another protection order on me.That order is a waste of paper.I do not like her or am not intrested in ever comming in contact with her again.Ever!

She is homeless now and i do not know where she is staying and i dont care.I have gotten a few phone calls of people telling me where she is so i dont go on that end of town.They are making me aware she is in the area.That i am greatfull for.I stay away.

Everything i read about this type of personality is her to the letter.Charming and controlling.She has lost control of her own life and is making an attempt at controlling mine.She is not and will not controll me or any part of me.I see very clearly now that i am a target/victom and not her sister.That i feel sad about.We were very close growing up and as adults.I do miss that.

Sorry this was a little long and Thank You for reading.

Sheila.

It sounds to me like you have very good choices to live your life without her in it.
But my question to you is this;
Considering this is your sister, are you feeling guilt for your choices?

And if that is the case, remember one thing..
This problem is far bigger than you can fix if she is not willing to seek aide in doing for herself.

U can only help and be there for someone, if your not enabling them and not taking the low points (which is when the learn and feel deepest).

Where is it right now, I fully support your choice to stay away from her.

But always make sure you know where she is. If you choose this method.
While her fixation is on you.



Also, doing this will also keep those aroound you safer.

.

[Mrs Arcstriker]

Our local sociopath killed with glee, 8 women (6 in CT and 2 in NY) If you watch the videos of Michael Ross on You Tube (a 3 part series) he will discribe with little emotion how he had to adjust his grip while he strangled Leslie Shelley and April Brunais because his hands cramped up. He also commented on his amazement that the littlest girl, Leslie, put up the most fight. Both of these girls lived in my town and were friends of my sister. I was always vexed by the fact that he never killed my mother-in-law who had befriended him when he moved into her apartment building after her divorce from my father-in-law, and the only explaination we have is that she became human to him, and she befriended him.

He was caught in late June of 1984 after killing his last victim. I and my friend Jane met him in May of the same year at Arremony's Bakery. During track practice Jane and I would take a detour to Arremony's for coffee and a whoopie pie during track practice while we were supposed to be running. We met Ross at the counter where we were seated, wearing our track uniforms. Ross asked us where we practiced, and we said mostly on the trails behind the highschool...Down in the woods. To this day, we walk the dogs down there because it is beautiful and secluded.

My point in all of this is this. Most of us know somebody who is nuts to the tenth degree, but almost all of us don't know a true sociopath or even a psychopath. If any of us know a person like that it changes our behavior for the rest of our life.

Though Ross was fried like the piece of shit he is back in 2005, and though he was on death row before I ever had kids...I never, ever let my kids out in the yard alone. My daughters were NEVER allowed to walk downstreet to Arremony's Bakery.

Once you know one, you change your whole world view. My kids are now in their 20's and still have to check in with me hourly. My eldest takes it in stride because she knows that in this little town we had a serial killer...she still checks in with me even when she goes to see her fiance...an active duty Marine.

IMHO, it's okay to say that you know a nutty person, but to lable somebody as a sociopathic or psychopathic personality...that is another thing entirely.

[rustedrims]

Originally Posted by Mrs Arcstriker

Our local sociopath killed with glee, 8 women (6 in CT and 2 in NY) If you watch the videos of Michael Ross on You Tube (a 3 part series) he will discribe with little emotion how he had to adjust his grip while he strangled Leslie Shelley and April Brunais because his hands cramped up. He also commented on his amazement that the littlest girl, Leslie, put up the most fight. Both of these girls lived in my town and were friends of my sister. I was always vexed by the fact that he never killed my mother-in-law who had befriended him when he moved into her apartment building after her divorce from my father-in-law, and the only explaination we have is that she became human to him, and she befriended him.

He was caught in late June of 1984 after killing his last victim. I and my friend Jane met him in May of the same year at Arremony's Bakery. During track practice Jane and I would take a detour to Arremony's for coffee and a whoopie pie during track practice while we were supposed to be running. We met Ross at the counter where we were seated, wearing our track uniforms. Ross asked us where we practiced, and we said mostly on the trails behind the highschool...Down in the woods. To this day, we walk the dogs down there because it is beautiful and secluded.

My point in all of this is this. Most of us know somebody who is nuts to the tenth degree, but almost all of us don't know a true sociopath or even a psychopath. If any of us know a person like that it changes our behavior for the rest of our life.

Though Ross was fried like the piece of shit he is back in 2005, and though he was on death row before I ever had kids...I never, ever let my kids out in the yard alone. My daughters were NEVER allowed to walk downstreet to Arremony's Bakery.

Once you know one, you change your whole world view. My kids are now in their 20's and still have to check in with me hourly. My eldest takes it in stride because she knows that in this little town we had a serial killer...she still checks in with me even when she goes to see her fiance...an active duty Marine.

IMHO, it's okay to say that you know a nutty person, but to lable somebody as a sociopathic or psychopathic personality...that is another thing entirely.

Mrs A,

That is a horrible memorie for you.I am sorry for that.

My story is a little different than yours.I am not diagnosing my sister by any means.The description of a sociopath that i have been reading is my sister to the letter.We have been trying to figure out what her personality really is and this sounds accurate.
It is not a good feeling to be under her thumb and fearing the sheriff comming to put me back in jail just for the simple fact that my sister is having a bad day and has lost complete control of her own life that she feels the need to control mine with the third Protection Order.

I didnt mean to offend you if i did.This is just where i am at.

[fever]

If for no other reason than having a safe place to vent, I am glad you are sharing some of your thoughts and experiences here. You may get some helpful advice, or at least, people who have experienced similar things to what is happening to you. It is better to talk about feelings than bottling them up. I can't believe that your sister is continuing to be evil. I was told we have to send out love for these people, for our own karma. But, it sure is hard to do.


Candice

[Quintease]

Originally Posted by Mrs Arcstriker

IMHO, it's okay to say that you know a nutty person, but to lable somebody as a sociopathic or psychopathic personality...that is another thing entirely.

Not all psychopaths are killers, in fact most of them will never kill anyone in their life. They're not that much different to anyone with a mental illness, some may be dangerous to others, most are not. They are scary as they are unable to be medicated or rehabilitated.

This is the real definition of a psychopath.

[rustedrims]

Originally Posted by Lady Pamela

It sounds to me like you have very good choices to live your life without her in it.
But my question to you is this;
Considering this is your sister, are you feeling guilt for your choices?

And if that is the case, remember one thing..
This problem is far bigger than you can fix if she is not willing to seek aide in doing for herself.

U can only help and be there for someone, if your not enabling them and not taking the low points (which is when the learn and feel deepest).

Where is it right now, I fully support your choice to stay away from her.

But always make sure you know where she is. If you choose this method.
While her fixation is on you.



Also, doing this will also keep those aroound you safer.

.

Lady P,
I do not feel any guilt because it is my sister.There has been tension in our relationship for a few years now.Her behavior towards me now is the deal breaker.She has caused me dissapointment,heartbreak and an enourmas ammount of saddness.She has put a great deal of uneasyness between me and my niece [her daughter].As of today we do not speak.She is 16.I am not concerned with that now because i am confident we will get our relationship completely back and stronger than ever.My sister will not be involved to interfear and keep us apart like she has in the past.

We have a moderator appointment at the end of the month.She has a job now so that is being canceled.REALLY!?.I have had a job for almost 30 years and that doesnt count for anything.She gets a job and the world has to stop turning because she said so.Bullsh#t!She is going to drag this out in a way to control me with that Protection Order.I do not interact with her in any way!It is a waste of paperwork in my opinion.Courious how this is going to go.Tossing around the idea if my Atty. should be present at the moderation thing.I need and will find out where she works so i do stay away from that end of town.I will let everyone know so they can act accordingly.What ever that job is she will end up loosing it because she thinks rules do not apply to her.She will be late several times and get fired.

Thank you for your support and your kind words.Much appreciated.