What you may not know about Chick-fil-A

Martina · 08-03-2012, 11:37 AM

Well, they are challenging the separation of church and state at every turn. Not just legally, but as pseudo-historians. They actually believe there was no intention to separate church and state by the founders.

They would like to refound the country as a Christian nation based on what they understand as Christian values, forcing us all to adhere to them by law.

That is as un-American as it is possible to be, in my opinion.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...-state/240481/

BullDog · 08-03-2012, 11:41 AM

Here is what some of the gay employees are going through right now. It doesn't sound like they are hearing much about love and peace from recent patrons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...ef=mostpopular

weatherboi · 08-03-2012, 12:03 PM

This whole chik fil a thing has brought me to feel if I am spending my queer dollars with a company that gives to super pacs and their officers give to the GOP party I am probably giving money indirectly to anti lgbt organizations. The list of businesses to support could get long including small businesses that still fall under the mom and pop spectrum that are local.
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Miss Scarlett · 08-03-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by weatherboi

This whole chik fil a thing has brought me to feel if I am spending my queer dollars with a company that gives to super pacs and their officers give to the GOP party I am probably giving money indirectly to anti lgbt organizations. The list of businesses to support could get long including small businesses that still fall under the mom and pop spectrum that are local.
:brainexplosion:

True...all we can do is keep our eyes & ears open and decide accordingly...HRC publishes an annual guide or rating...a good indicator (in my small town anyway) with regard to the mom & pop places are what political signs do they allow on their property...

Miss Scarlett · 08-03-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Martina

Well, they are challenging the separation of church and state at every turn. Not just legally, but as pseudo-historians. They actually believe there was no intention to separate church and state by the founders.

They would like to refound the country as a Christian nation based on what they understand as Christian values, forcing us all to adhere to them by law.

That is as un-American as it is possible to be, in my opinion.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...-state/240481/

Thanks Martina... i see your point...the article is very interesting and shows that the argument and challenges as to separation of church and state have been going on almost 200 years...but i don't believe those folks are not Americans or un-American...i don't agree with them at all but it is very American to stand up and challenge things or to fight for what you believe in...that's what led to the founding of this Country and also to social change...

i don't think they will be successful in refounding the Country according to their values but at the same time we absolutely cannot be complacent when it comes to social issues, our rights or our leaders...we must vote for the candidates and issues we believe in and not leave it up to everyone else to fight to fight for us...

If the passage of Amendment One (NC marriage amendment) taught us (i'm referring to the LGBT community here in NC) anything i hope it taught us to get out and vote against these things rather than merely paying them lipservice or believing that your (speaking in general terms not addressing any one person) vote will not make a difference...

Can you imagine what would happen if we turned out to vote with the same dogged passion and in the proportionate numbers as the Chick-fil-a supporters the other day?

Mrs Arcstriker · 08-03-2012, 08:17 PM

The more that I hear about this debate, the more that I think we have bigger fish (or chickens) to fry...

IMHO, I am a lesbian, and legally married in the GREAT STATE OF CONNECTICUT...and that said, I do not think that a kiss-in will help our cause a fig.

To me, this whole Chick-fil-a thing is nothing more than a herring in the path and I for one will not jump on the bandwagon...any moresoe than I did when it was J C Penney under fire by the Million Moms after Ellen Degeneres was appointed the spokeswoman.

Spend your money there or don't...You all have to choose with your own conscience...A kiss-in though will prove nothing more to the right than what they already know to be true...They think that the sum-total of homosexuality is about sex, and to thrust it into their faces in the forum of a kiss-in might only to foster that point...

BullDog · 08-03-2012, 08:35 PM

I have mixed emotions because in some ways I feel fil-a-hate is getting way too much air time and in other ways I feel we need the awareness to spread about where their money is going.

I watched a video a while ago posted on the Advocate website. They were filming at a fil-a-hate in Hollywood, just blocks from where I once worked. Pat Boone even showed up. The people they interviewed were all ignorant and hateful but they certainly didn't see themselves that way. It was pretty grim.

They have a right to spend their dollars where they want to, just like we do. The difference is they are supporting a company that funds anti-equality causes and hate groups. It's quite clear there is plenty of homophobia and anti-gay rhetoric springing up over this and not about just someone's personal beliefs about marriage.

weatherboi · 08-03-2012, 08:44 PM

There are already reports of other companies taking their stand and supporting chik fil a. i would hate to see a trend with big money companies taking "stands" against LGBT people but it is something that i could see happening after what happened Thursday. It is alarming at best!

The_Lady_Snow · 08-03-2012, 08:53 PM

Chic Fil A's profits are going to support Uganda's "Kill The Gays" bill. Each one of those "ignorant" Christians/Zealots provided more income for that cause and a few other anti gay groups.

Murder, the legalization of allowing the hunting down of a human being. It's not just a civil right we are fighting for it's human rights.

I'm pretty convinced that if "some" people could have it their way, we'd be hunted down with party music playing in the background.

I hope every queer wakes the fuck up and votes, as a woman I feel I have double the target on my back since these people think they own my rights to my vagina as well.

Not one queer dollar should be spent at this particular business.

EnderD_503 · 08-03-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs Arcstriker

The more that I hear about this debate, the more that I think we have bigger fish (or chickens) to fry...

IMHO, I am a lesbian, and legally married in the GREAT STATE OF CONNECTICUT...and that said, I do not think that a kiss-in will help our cause a fig.

To me, this whole Chick-fil-a thing is nothing more than a herring in the path and I for one will not jump on the bandwagon...any moresoe than I did when it was J C Penney under fire by the Million Moms after Ellen Degeneres was appointed the spokeswoman.

Spend your money there or don't...You all have to choose with your own conscience...A kiss-in though will prove nothing more to the right than what they already know to be true...They think that the sum-total of homosexuality is about sex, and to thrust it into their faces in the forum of a kiss-in might only to foster that point...

I largely agree until your last paragraph. I guess I don't see the issue about sex. Society really needs to stop being so alarmist about it and sex needs to stop being seen as this thing to be kept out of the public eye.

But I certainly do think there are bigger fish to fry. Corporate scandals = least of lgbt/queer community's worries, imo. Edit: Do I think it sucks that these buffoons are funding the murder of the lgbt community in Uganda...yes. But I don't think that boycotting a restaurant is going to help the lgbt community Uganda, either. There are better ways, and the international community has managed to put pressure on the Ugandan government. Like its been mentioned earlier in the thread, movements take time and change takes time.

BullDog · 08-03-2012, 09:22 PM

Ender I don't understand why you say "Corporate scandals = least of lgbt/queer community's worries." Big corporations make lots of money and that money can be used to fund lots of hateful things. It can do a lot of damage.

EnderD_503 · 08-03-2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BullDog

Ender I don't understand why you say "Corporate scandals = least of lgbt/queer community's worries." Big corporations make lots of money and that money can be used to fund lots of hateful things. It can do a lot of damage.

They do lots of damage every day by merely existing. These sorts of scandals detract from real social issues and basically allow people who don't care to be politically active an avenue to think they're doing some kind of good without actually doing any good. What this restaurant does with its money changes nothing for someone who doesn't have anything to eat to begin with. Whether this restaurant funds anti-lgbt orgs or not, they already promote the continued maltreatment of homeless/low income and other disadvantaged people (including queers) by their very existence. The damage exists with or without their money. Its the entire damned system that is the problem and continues to allow these organisations to exist. Its not going to change anything for the plight of Ugandan lgbt folks or of disadvantaged queer folks in the US.

BullDog · 08-03-2012, 09:53 PM

Well Ender I think capitalism as an economic system sucks but it's what we have. There's lots and lots of problems in this world.

aishah · 08-04-2012, 12:46 AM

the issue that i see is that capitalism, at least in the u.s., is built on exploitation and inequality. the capitalist system that we have cannot exist without exploitation and inequality. so personally i have a hard time separating the two. i mean - in an immediate sense - don't spend money at chik-fil-a, spend your queer dollars elsewhere. in a long-term sense - if one is serious about ending poverty, which disproportionately affects women and queer people, and upending the systems of oppression that exist, we are going to have to dismantle the corporate system.

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Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,284 Times in 4,167 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	Well, they are challenging the separation of church and state at every turn. Not just legally, but as pseudo-historians. They actually believe there was no intention to separate church and state by the founders. They would like to refound the country as a Christian nation based on what they understand as Christian values, forcing us all to adhere to them by law. That is as un-American as it is possible to be, in my opinion. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...-state/240481/

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