Was at the Dr today for my Militia physical

[stephfromMIT]

ruff-THANK YOU for correcting my spelling! I never get that word right. You need physicals to prove you're healthy enough to play. She meausred my fat % by the "pinch" method.

[Glenn]

You ask us for alot of info here but you don't give much back. I studied your log in log off times since you've joined and most days you are here from around noon and log off at around 1 or 2 in the morning. How do you manage the time to stay here, do work-outs, spend time with your fiance, and work or go to school too? How long is your work-out schedule? Most days I see you are not here in the mornings from around 2- 11.

[aishah]

Originally Posted by Glenn

You ask us for alot of info here but you don't give much back. I studied your log in log off times since you've joined and most days you are here from around noon and log off at around 1 or 2 in the morning. how do you manage to stay here, do work-outs, spend time with your fiance, and work or go to school too? How long is your work-out schedule?

okay, to be fair, i spend a hell of a lot of time here and i have a life...so having a life doesn't necessarily preclude spending ridiculous amounts of time on the planet (although i'm lucky in that i work from home most of the time.)

although i am curious how you are surviving with 3% body fat. just cannot wrap my brain around that.

[QueenofSmirks]

Originally Posted by aishah

although i am curious how you are surviving with 3% body fat. just cannot wrap my brain around that.

I realize we are talking about gender differences, but my father (who is a runner) has 3% body fat, and although he's very fit, he is by no means "skinny", just fit. He also isn't that tall (5'7" I think) so that probably factors into it.

[Corkey]

I personally have loads of time to spend here, I get in my workouts and I do all sorts of stuff while logged in. I don't see why stalking someone is proof of anything. If you do, why does it matter to you? Geezus it's starting to feel like an inquisition here.

[Hack]

Good lord.

I'm still trying to fathom why people care so much about this individual? Log on and log off times? Really? Wow. Just wow.

[Corkey]

Way to roll out the welcome wagon there....

[nycfem]

I think log in/log off times are not really fair because a lot of us minimize our screen and don't log off. I do that all the time.

As for the pinch method, that I'm curious about, just because!

[aishah]

http://www.livestrong.com/body-fat-pinch-test/

[Corkey]

I've had the pinch, it is a caliper like instrument that measures the amount of belly fat one has, or doesn't as the case may be, way back when I was on the swim team and doing track n basketball. All weather athlete in my day.

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by nycfembbw

I think log in/log off times are not really fair because a lot of us minimize our screen and don't log off. I do that all the time.

As for the pinch method, that I'm curious about, just because!

I don't know how to see my own log in/off times. I didn't even know they existed. Hell, it was exciting when tantalizing opened my eyes to "today's posts"...and that thing where you can see where people are...I forget that one now.

And yes, I leave mine up all the time, but doesn't it switch to showing we are not on or something/not active?

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by DapperButch

I don't know how to see my own log in/off times. I didn't even know they existed. Hell, it was exciting when tantalizing opened my eyes to "today's posts"...and that thing where you can see where people are...I forget that one now.

And yes, I leave mine up all the time, but doesn't it switch to showing we are not on or something/not active?

Only if you've turned off your computer n cleared your history, or if you've been inactive well over an hour or more, but I'm logged in all the time, n just clear history.

[nycfem]

Originally Posted by DapperButch

I don't know how to see my own log in/off times. I didn't even know they existed. Hell, it was exciting when tantalizing opened my eyes to "today's posts"...and that thing where you can see where people are...I forget that one now.

And yes, I leave mine up all the time, but doesn't it switch to showing we are not on or something/not active?

Not sure, but I often have a screen up at home and just wander away for hours, doesn't mean I'm, for ex, spending hours on someone's profile

[Ginger]

Originally Posted by stephfromMIT

ruff-THANK YOU for correcting my spelling! I never get that word right. You need physicals to prove you're healthy enough to play. She meausred my fat % by the "pinch" method.

She pinched you?

I think I had my body fat checked on a crowded subway a long time ago.

Seriously though, what is the pinch method?

She pinches with her hands?

A caliper (LOL)?

[MissItalianDiva]

Wow...well for some reason that I can not manage to figure out I actually read all freakin 9 pages of this...(whatever it is) and I really want my 15 minutes of my life back.

Ok now for my unsolicited .02 cents. Who give two hoots! I am having a hard time grasping why this has turned stirred the crap over someone's apparent body fat.

Another issue I see here is let's just assume for a moment that she does indeed have 3% body fat. That is her choice and her body. I don't see how one can come and tell someone they are not within healthy body fat% Sure 3% is definitely low for women especially of child bearing age but in reality all that is going to do if she is the height and weight she claims then it will simply in most cases cease menustration or her ability to get pregnant. No big deal. I am sure if she is receiving physicals her actual Dr. would have discussed any possible risks or red flags.

Secondly I think it is rather absurd for anyone to tell her she has an unhealthy body% percentage. I think if we all posted ours here there would be a good portion that are high enough to be considered VERY unhealthy. Which of course I don't think very many of us think it is ok to single that person's % and to lecture them in a non supportive way.

Thirdly I definitely agree with others who have posted that it is indeed creepy to be monitoring someones log on and log off times. The ironic part of that is that the admitted while questioning the OP being able to have a life if logged in all the time. Umm...well if you have the time to monitor someone's log in and log off patterns then I think it might be time for a hobby.

Lastly, I personally agree with those that said wtf about why this thread was even started. Some saying it was a self focused thread to boast and for attention but there are plenty of threads like that. Some of them even titled as the persons personal space or so and so's corner....I just don't see the difference.

[aishah]

Sure 3% is definitely low for women especially of child bearing age but in reality all that is going to do if she is the height and weight she claims then it will simply in most cases cease menustration or her ability to get pregnant. No big deal.

it is a big deal, in the sense that below a certain percentage your body literally does not have enough fat to sustain life and it causes lifelong health repercussions. not just infertility. this goes beyond genetics or life choices. below a certain body fat percentage is actually extremely, immediately dangerous. i'm really hoping that the doctor got that number wrong.

obviously it's someone's individual choice to do that and i respect their choice. i guess i should keep that to myself now - i have a high body fat percentage (though not immediately life-threateningly high) at this point in my life and people do go all wacko on me about it sometimes and that sucks. but i do know a lot of people who don't realize the damage that overexercising or undereating or maintaining an extremely low body fat % can do to their bodies because it's not talked about as much, and i wish that i had known and had someone to support me, so i felt the need to speak up at least. i also really worry about that kind of standard being glorified here.

it's individual choice and i respect people's choice. i just worry. sorry about that.

(edited to add: and to put it in perspective, for women, below 11% is the point at which you usually lose your period and are at risk for infertility and osteoporosis. below 8% is the point at which your immune system is compromised and you start having issues with fatigue, being cold, memory problems, blackouts, etc. even men cannot maintain below 5% for long periods of time, as ender pointed out.)

[yotlyolqualli]

but i do know a lot of people who don't realize the damage that overexercising or undereating or maintaining an extremely low body fat % can do to their bodies because it's not talked about as much, and i wish that i had known and had someone to support me, so i felt the need to speak up at least. i also really worry about that kind of standard being glorified here.

With all due respect, this bugged me.

There's a thread here, I believe it's entitled "the fat positive lounge"

Now, there is nothing wrong with accepting and loving yourself, no matter WHAT size you are. However, could it not be said that that thread is glorifying a certain standard as well?

I believe that no matter what size you are, you should be treated with respect and not bombarded with how "unhealthy" you are.

Being overweight or obese is BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH!

Being underweight or anorexic is BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH!

One extreme, is just as unhealthy as the other.

Having said that, each person is responsible for their own health. They have the option of seeing a doctor, they also have the option of not seeing one. It is up to each individual and their health care provider, to decide what is healthy and what isn't healthy, not the general public.

Even then, if people here are physicians or health care providers (I know there are some here) until they actually see the patient (individual) even their "expert opinion" is just that, an opinion and doctor's are not always right.

Case in point. I had a gastric bypass in 2007. We were told, in no uncertain terms, that post surgery, and, for the most part, the rest of our lives, we would not be able to take any OTC pain relievers with blood thinners in them, OR prescribed medications with blood thinners in them.

When I came out of the anesthesia, morphine wasn't taking care of the pain (we know now that morphine just does not work with me) the recovery room doctor and RN tried to force a percoset (sp?) on me!

Later, after having had an stomach ulcer and a gastric hemhorage(?) my PCP STILL prescribed prescription strength naproxen for pain.

Anyway...

I don't think it's in any way fair to judge someone's looks or health by what size they are, no matter if they are big or small.

Just my two cents worth.

[aishah]

i'm really sorry that i posted any of that. genuinely and sincerely, because i really hate it when people say things like that to me. i can't go back and unpost it or delete it, but i wanted to apologize. i'm really, extremely freaked out by this but i should have kept that to myself and not put it on other people.

[Corkey]

I think that we all have an opinion, I'm not gonna slam someone because of it, I open my mouth at times too. We're human. I think that we all want Steph to be in a healthy place, and that's ok. Policing how she does it isn't our business.

I love it that the community cares enough to encourage her, without the judgement.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by yotlyolqualli

With all due respect, this bugged me.

There's a thread here, I believe it's entitled "the fat positive lounge"

Now, there is nothing wrong with accepting and loving yourself, no matter WHAT size you are. However, could it not be said that that thread is glorifying a certain standard as well?

No, actually. Fat positive space is a result of the social stigma of fat and not because anyone is glorifying an unattainable obese-standard that's spread across every form of media.