2012 US General Election Discussions: Start to Finish

alexri · 10-20-2012, 02:46 PM

I'm seeing a lot of chatter on independent and left newsites and facebook pages about Tagg Romney (son of Mitt) having purchased electronic voting machines that will be used in the 2012 elections in Ohio and other states. The news is that a Bain Capital investment team involved in H.I.G. Capital has taken over Hart Intercivic, the voting machine company.

Is anyone else hearing this? And if true how the heck is this legal?

Martina · 10-21-2012, 03:02 AM

Real Clear Politics and the Romney campaign seem to think he has North Carolina. I think he will get Florida and Virginia. That makes it all about Ohio. Like that's news. But with states like Pennsylvania and Michigan moving from 8 and 7 point Obama leads to 4 and 3, and the rest truly truly ties, it would be so easy for Obama to lose. Nate Silver still says the chances of Obama willing are 67.9 percent. And he thinks Obama will win both the popular and the electoral vote. But he projects a 1.1 percent lead in popular votes.

That's just too close to call.

I used to think Obama probably had it. I now think there's no way to know till election day unless something dramatic breaks.

It really is too close to tell right now. And then there is the fear that the Gallup poll could be picking something up that the rest aren't. If they are, Gallup doesn't know what it is. they truly do not know why they are getting Romney to poll 6 and 7 pts ahead nationally when no one else is. It's like a ghost in the room though.

girl_dee · 10-21-2012, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by alexri

I'm seeing a lot of chatter on independent and left newsites and facebook pages about Tagg Romney (son of Mitt) having purchased electronic voting machines that will be used in the 2012 elections in Ohio and other states. The news is that a Bain Capital investment team involved in H.I.G. Capital has taken over Hart Intercivic, the voting machine company.

Is anyone else hearing this? And if true how the heck is this legal?

i saw that and i wondered the same thing. there is SO much chatter on the internet that i am tuning all of it out, but that one takes the cake.

Martina · 10-21-2012, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by alexri

I'm seeing a lot of chatter on independent and left newsites and facebook pages about Tagg Romney (son of Mitt) having purchased electronic voting machines that will be used in the 2012 elections in Ohio and other states. The news is that a Bain Capital investment team involved in H.I.G. Capital has taken over Hart Intercivic, the voting machine company.

Is anyone else hearing this? And if true how the heck is this legal?

Politico had it. I guess because it's about three companies removed, and it's the candidate's son. But I get you.

Martina · 10-21-2012, 05:09 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...aud-billboards

Clear Channel Outdoor said on Saturday it will take down anti-voter fraud billboards that had come under criticism in the Cleveland area because they were placed in mostly Hispanic and African-American neighborhoods. The company said the billboards were paid for by an anonymous corporation in violation of Clear Channel's policies. Clear Channel said that the anonymous buyer preferred to take down the billboards rather than disclosing they company's name, according to the Cleveland Plain-Dealer.

Tommi · 10-21-2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by alexri

I'm seeing a lot of chatter on independent and left newsites and facebook pages about Tagg Romney (son of Mitt) having purchased electronic voting machines that will be used in the 2012 elections in Ohio and other states. The news is that a Bain Capital investment team involved in H.I.G. Capital has taken over Hart Intercivic, the voting machine company.

Is anyone else hearing this? And if true how the heck is this legal?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajun_dee

i saw that and i wondered the same thing. there is SO much chatter on the internet that i am tuning all of it out, but that one takes the cake.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martina

Politico had it. I guess because it's about three companies removed, and it's the candidate's son. But I get you.

Subject: Tagg Romney Invested in Ohio Electronic Voting Machines

As the election gets closer, we hear more and more about the lies and deceptions, here's another troubling fact:

http://www.politicolnews.com/tagg-ro...ting-machines/

and the Debate's on during MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL>

princessbelle · 10-21-2012, 09:38 PM

I know one thing...

If this election doesn't hurry up Bully will go over the edge. As if living with me isn't enough.

It's almost midnight and she is sitting at the computer with charts and grafts and notebooks and colored pencils, studying voter turnouts and state electoral votes and proposing outcomes.

Actually, it may already be too late.

Martina · 10-21-2012, 10:31 PM

good heavens!! She needs to share her results!!

10-22-2012, 05:55 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ins?intcmp=239

I like this journalists writings in general.

In this article I love the paragraphs that summarizes his take on the two candidates thus:

"With just a fortnight to go before polling day, the "show" has been terrible. Democrats are running the same acts that they did last time, and hoping that nobody will notice. Concluding the first TV debate, President Barack Obama's closing argument was: "Four years ago I said that I'm not a perfect man and I wouldn't be a perfect president ... But I also promised that I'd fight every single day on behalf of the American people and the middle class, and all those who are striving to get in the middle class. I've kept that promise and if you'll vote for me, then I promise I'll fight just as hard in a second term." I tried my best. I want another go. It's hardly a pitch bursting with vision.

His opponent, Mitt Romney, is worse. He has visions a-plenty. In his crystal ball he sees a land of free-market unicorns galloping under tax-slashing, deficit-reducing rainbows where, if only government would get out of the way, prosperity would fall from the sky. Those are the visions that he will admit to, and insists that he has costed. The ones he won't take ownership of look like a black and white version of Mike Leigh's 2004 film about illegal abortion in 1950s London, Vera Drake, in a land full of ungrateful moochers."
(Gary Younge, Guardian 21.10.12)

BullDog · 10-22-2012, 09:09 AM

Well, unfortunately no matter how often I look at polls or read another article, they are all telling me it's a close race.

If my life depended on correctly choosing who would be the next president I would say Obama. I think he does still have the Electoral College advantage in several of the key swing states. It mostly boils down to Ohio. (see I have nothing new). Whoever wins Ohio will almost certainly be President, and I do think Obama still has the edge there.

My biggest concern is voter turnout. The Dems do seem to be doing well with early voting, so that should help. It's just that enthusiasm is way down from 2008.

My second biggest concern is in a very close race we will have Republican shenanigans- especially in Ohio.

I do think at this point that Obama will win but it is way too close for comfort!

10-20-2012, 02:46 PM	#1
alexri Member How Do You Identify?: - Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: - Posts: 549 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,209 Thanked 2,799 Times in 468 Posts Rep Power: 21474850	Voting Machines.. I'm seeing a lot of chatter on independent and left newsites and facebook pages about Tagg Romney (son of Mitt) having purchased electronic voting machines that will be used in the 2012 elections in Ohio and other states. The news is that a Bain Capital investment team involved in H.I.G. Capital has taken over Hart Intercivic, the voting machine company. Is anyone else hearing this? And if true how the heck is this legal?

10-21-2012, 05:09 PM	#5
Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,283 Times in 4,166 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	Now THIS will make you paranoid http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...aud-billboards Clear Channel Outdoor said on Saturday it will take down anti-voter fraud billboards that had come under criticism in the Cleveland area because they were placed in mostly Hispanic and African-American neighborhoods. The company said the billboards were paid for by an anonymous corporation in violation of Clear Channel's policies. Clear Channel said that the anonymous buyer preferred to take down the billboards rather than disclosing they company's name, according to the Cleveland Plain-Dealer.

10-21-2012, 09:38 PM	#7
princessbelle Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: femme Preferred Pronoun?: femme ones Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,100 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 29,380 Thanked 30,497 Times in 5,198 Posts Rep Power: 21474859	I know one thing... If this election doesn't hurry up Bully will go over the edge. As if living with me isn't enough. It's almost midnight and she is sitting at the computer with charts and grafts and notebooks and colored pencils, studying voter turnouts and state electoral votes and proposing outcomes. Actually, it may already be too late. __________________ ~ I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. ~ Maya Angelou

10-22-2012, 09:09 AM	#10
BullDog Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Dominant Stone Butch Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: She Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In A Healing Place Posts: 5,371 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 18,160 Thanked 22,640 Times in 4,463 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	Well, unfortunately no matter how often I look at polls or read another article, they are all telling me it's a close race. If my life depended on correctly choosing who would be the next president I would say Obama. I think he does still have the Electoral College advantage in several of the key swing states. It mostly boils down to Ohio. (see I have nothing new). Whoever wins Ohio will almost certainly be President, and I do think Obama still has the edge there. My biggest concern is voter turnout. The Dems do seem to be doing well with early voting, so that should help. It's just that enthusiasm is way down from 2008. My second biggest concern is in a very close race we will have Republican shenanigans- especially in Ohio. I do think at this point that Obama will win but it is way too close for comfort! __________________ Love consists in this, that two solitudes protect and touch and greet each other. - Rainer Maria Rilke

10-21-2012, 03:02 AM	#2
Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,283 Times in 4,166 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	Real Clear Politics and the Romney campaign seem to think he has North Carolina. I think he will get Florida and Virginia. That makes it all about Ohio. Like that's news. But with states like Pennsylvania and Michigan moving from 8 and 7 point Obama leads to 4 and 3, and the rest truly truly ties, it would be so easy for Obama to lose. Nate Silver still says the chances of Obama willing are 67.9 percent. And he thinks Obama will win both the popular and the electoral vote. But he projects a 1.1 percent lead in popular votes. That's just too close to call. I used to think Obama probably had it. I now think there's no way to know till election day unless something dramatic breaks. It really is too close to tell right now. And then there is the fear that the Gallup poll could be picking something up that the rest aren't. If they are, Gallup doesn't know what it is. they truly do not know why they are getting Romney to poll 6 and 7 pts ahead nationally when no one else is. It's like a ghost in the room though.

10-21-2012, 10:31 PM	#8
Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,283 Times in 4,166 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	good heavens!! She needs to share her results!!

10-22-2012, 05:55 AM	#9
Daktari Guest Tournaments Won: 1 Posts: n/a My Photo Gallery	http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ins?intcmp=239 I like this journalists writings in general. In this article I love the paragraphs that summarizes his take on the two candidates thus: "With just a fortnight to go before polling day, the "show" has been terrible. Democrats are running the same acts that they did last time, and hoping that nobody will notice. Concluding the first TV debate, President Barack Obama's closing argument was: "Four years ago I said that I'm not a perfect man and I wouldn't be a perfect president ... But I also promised that I'd fight every single day on behalf of the American people and the middle class, and all those who are striving to get in the middle class. I've kept that promise and if you'll vote for me, then I promise I'll fight just as hard in a second term." I tried my best. I want another go. It's hardly a pitch bursting with vision. His opponent, Mitt Romney, is worse. He has visions a-plenty. In his crystal ball he sees a land of free-market unicorns galloping under tax-slashing, deficit-reducing rainbows where, if only government would get out of the way, prosperity would fall from the sky. Those are the visions that he will admit to, and insists that he has costed. The ones he won't take ownership of look like a black and white version of Mike Leigh's 2004 film about illegal abortion in 1950s London, Vera Drake, in a land full of ungrateful moochers." (Gary Younge, Guardian 21.10.12)