Politics: The Dark Ages edition

[Bit]

Originally Posted by The June on Caffeine

This Quasi Rant has been brought to you by 4 cups of coffee and a Diet Coke (r)

...and by some serious analysis. It shows.

I agree, btw, about these people's likely motivation. But I don't think we can afford to underestimate the contribution of health insurance industry lobbying to this "movement." After all, who stands to be reined in if it passes? There's a lot of profit to be lost... and so what better than a little classic misdirection, a little fanning of certain dying sparks into open flames?

After all, who would be able to point a finger at the health insurance lobby if this is a "grassroots movement," and yet how do we know who all the people were at the beginning of it? How do we know who the people are who champion it now, or more importantly, who they work for? There's no way to keep track of things like that.

[Jess]

I think it is important to remember that not everyone opposed to the way the healthcare bill is being worked is of the all evil ilk. Not all are ultra- conservative right wingers and certainly not all are plants from the insurance lobbys.

I am not entirely happy with this bill from what I have been able to read of it. It is a start that might eventually become what it should and could be, but as it stands there will still be huge numbers of folks without healthcare and a large number of folks who when "forced" to purchase healthcare will have to make the decision of food or my imposed healthcare plan. There are quite a few really not so great things about the bill as it is.

Seriously though, not all of the "tea baggers" are the bad guys.

http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/20.../michael-moore

[Apocalipstic]

My vote is for full socialized medicine and I have really good insurance at the small company I work for.

I agree that many of the people at these rallys probably do not have insurance and are being led to vote against their own self interests by racism or by being convinced that if there is socialized healthcare, then sex changes will be free and gays will be able to marry.

I think it is likely that this person is using the word "demon" as a racist code word.

[apretty]

medicare, the kind that old teabaggers utilize, is government subsidized health care, i don't get why i have to pay for these old, hateful racists to have access to affordable health care. they're milking the system, i'm sick of these anchor-seniors!

[Queerasfck]

Teabaggers, they think elitist means "someone who reads. It's a cult not a movement", via Bill Maher. There's a youtube video out there somewhere...funny stuff.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by EzeeTiger

Teabaggers, they think elitist means "someone who reads. It's a cult not a movement", via Bill Maher. There's a youtube video out there somewhere...funny stuff.

And how many of the Republican leadership went to Ivy League schools????....except of course Sara Palin who just really may not know how to read teleprompters...hense the 4 line crib notes.

rant rant rant rant.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by apretty

medicare, the kind that old teabaggers utilize, is government subsidized health care, i don't get why i have to pay for these old, hateful racists to have access to affordable health care. they're milking the system, i'm sick of these anchor-seniors!

It rips me out of the frame! Agreed!

They have socialized insurance. Growwwl.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by June

I don't think ALL Tea Baggers are evil, racist pricks. Just most of them.

And, I was really clear that both sides of the aisle are culpable for this Healthcare cluster fuck.

And, I work for a 12 year old, 15 employee company that cannot afford to offer healthcare to any of us. I have decent, affordable healthcare because my partner works for the County and we are "lucky" enough to have partner benefits here.

I think I'm gonna go start a poll. Stay tuned.

I have a difficult time thinking all the Baggers are not evil.

I saw what they discussed when they were here in Nashville for their convention. I do not see anything that proved to me they cared about their fellow humans....starting with their keynote speaker.

Maybe just the mean ones get on the news?

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

I have a difficult time thinking all the Baggers are not evil.

So do I.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/...th-parkinsons/

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by Bit

After all, who would be able to point a finger at the health insurance lobby if this is a "grassroots movement," and yet how do we know who all the people were at the beginning of it? How do we know who the people are who champion it now, or more importantly, who they work for? There's no way to keep track of things like that.

Rachel Maddow has been doing a great job of following the money trail this past year and can track just about all of these shenanigans back to their sources.

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

I think it is likely that this person is using the word "demon" as a racist code word.

I believe that he got it from yesterday's news buzz phrase "deem and pass". The funny part is, after all the filibustering, when word got out that Senate Dems were threatening to use deem and pass, the Repugs raced to the TV cameras and started demanding an up or down vote!! Geez, peeps, the rest of the country has been wanting up or down votes in the Senate since 1/21/2009!!!!!!

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

I have a difficult time thinking all the Baggers are not evil.

Right there with you.

[MsDemeanor]

Once again, Alan Grayson has come up with the simple and practical solution. HR 4789, the Medicare You Can Buy In To Act. Basically, anyone can sign up for Medicare and the rate would be the average cost for people in that age group. The entire bill is just a few pages long, and it has accumulated 50 co-sponsors in just 48 hours. My Congresswoman has already signed on. Has yours? (I heart Lynn Woolsey).


Alan Grayson 2012!!!!

[Jess]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

Once again, Alan Grayson has come up with the simple and practical solution. HR 4789, the Medicare You Can Buy In To Act. Basically, anyone can sign up for Medicare and the rate would be the average cost for people in that age group. The entire bill is just a few pages long, and it has accumulated 50 co-sponsors in just 48 hours. My Congresswoman has already signed on. Has yours? (I heart Lynn Woolsey).


Alan Grayson 2012!!!!

Now, THIS makes sense. Amazing it is only a few pages.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...p-alan-grayson

Thanks.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by Jess

I watched the same video posted earlier and yes, the yuppie throwing money was an ass. The last woman who spoke however, seemed quite rational, reasonable and not really evil. Evil is a pretty harsh view. Kinda like "demonic".

Good point, evil is too strong and does imply that I believe in evil and hell and all that.

How about.... I do not agree with them at all, and it is difficult for me to see how possibly they think what they do, especially since they claim for the most part to be Christian.

Not that I think Christians act better, but if one does supposedly think that the Bible (New Testament in Particular) is THE holy book and that the words of Jesus mean something, then I don't get their logic and have zero respect for their line of thinking.

I do agree that "Evil" does imply magical thinking just like "Demons". Great point! I need to work on being consistent!

Sleepy rambling...can't wake up this morning.....

[Jess]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

I have a difficult time thinking all the Baggers are not evil.

I saw what they discussed when they were here in Nashville for their convention. I do not see anything that proved to me they cared about their fellow humans....starting with their keynote speaker.

Maybe just the mean ones get on the news?

I watched the same video posted earlier and yes, the yuppie throwing money was an ass. The last woman who spoke however, seemed quite rational, reasonable and not really evil. Evil is a pretty harsh view. Kinda like "demonic".