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Damn I love this thread. Seriously guys. Y'all have no idea just how much it is enlightening me and giving me courage to face my own demons, hopes, aspirations and desires.

Because of this thread, I am feeling a connection that I haven't felt with another guy(s) in a long time, if ever. It's like I get so wrapped up in my every day struggles that I tend to forget others go through the exact same struggle every day of their own lives. That I am not the only FTM out there who is viewed based on what gender they physically born into, regardless of how much it doesn't match up with what our brain and soul sees. I totally got the above but sometimes I let my own "suffering" become my center focus until I forget that I am not alone.

Often I'd find myself looking at pics of FTMs and wishing I could just "look like that". Weatherboi, your post brought reality screaming back to me and I am so fucking grateful to you for that. Thank you from bottom of my heart for sharing that about yourself. Thank you to all of you who are sharing. It's like chicken soup for the trans soul. Lol. Even when I didn't realize I needed to hear it. For years I struggled with addiction. Anything that'd make me not have to think about what I look like or what society sees. Anger and resentment towards the world were my close friends. Still are sometimes if I'm not careful.

Okay seriously am rambling so will shut up for now but one last thing before I do. Weatherboi, I couldn't rep you again for some reason so I'll just say it here. Your post about dysphoria made me tear up because I can relate with every fiber of my being. Thank you and I look forward to meeting you as well as all the other guys one day.


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Damn I love this thread. Seriously guys. Y'all have no idea just how much it is enlightening me and giving me courage to face my own demons, hopes, aspirations and desires.

Because of this thread, I am feeling a connection that I haven't felt with another guy(s) in a long time, if ever. It's like I get so wrapped up in my every day struggles that I tend to forget others go through the exact same struggle every day of their own lives. That I am not the only FTM out there who is viewed based on what gender they physically born into, regardless of how much it doesn't match up with what our brain and soul sees. I totally got the above but sometimes I let my own "suffering" become my center focus until I forget that I am not alone.

Often I'd find myself looking at pics of FTMs and wishing I could just "look like that". Weatherboi, your post brought reality screaming back to me and I am so fucking grateful to you for that. Thank you from bottom of my heart for sharing that about yourself. Thank you to all of you who are sharing. It's like chicken soup for the trans soul. Lol. Even when I didn't realize I needed to hear it. For years I struggled with addiction. Anything that'd make me not have to think about what I look like or what society sees. Anger and resentment towards the world were my close friends. Still are sometimes if I'm not careful.
Okay seriously am rambling so will shut up for now but one last thing before I do. Weatherboi, I couldn't rep you again for some reason so I'll just say it here. Your post about dysphoria made me tear up because I can relate with every fiber of my being. Thank you and I look forward to meeting you as well as all the other guys one day.


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Brutal, thanks for opening up more. I don't think I have ever seen you post as much like I have in the last few days. It's great getting to know some of you guys in a much more below the surface way.

Addiction, anger management, domestic violence in our community is something I have ponder for a few years. Another very sensitive area.
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Brutal, thanks for opening up more. I don't think I have ever seen you post as much like I have in the last few days. It's great getting to know some of you guys in a much more below the surface way.

Addiction, anger management, domestic violence in our community is something I have ponder for a few years. Another very sensitive area.

Thanks Greyson. I feel like I'm babbling all over the place. Lol. I completely agree with it being great getting to know others on a deeper level.

You know what, you're right. Those are issues I have never seen discussed here or on other site for that matter. Well except friend of Bill W. thread. Always thought I was an addict cause I wasn't a good person. When in reality it is because I couldn't cope with the reality of my situation which is I was born in the wrong body for whatever reason.


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It is funny you bring up anger management and domestic violence. I recently heard of an acquaintance that is struggling and after asking around about resources and talking to friends have realized the need for resources tackling these very problems you mention. I believe but have no statistics to back it up that these problems may be on the rise within our community. It is definitely something to examine.


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I am going to put this FAQ post in the thread so that i have a quick reference to the TOS and for a personal reminder. In addition, others within this thread can see it and use it too.

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We've had a couple of issues pop up over the last several weeks with reported posts so I wanted to post a thread with a few reminders:


1. When To Report a Post

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Please remember that if you see a post that really pisses you off, you have a choice to either engage directly with the person who made it OR you can report it but if you do both, we more than likely will not moderate your report.

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We have encountered several situations where someone gets moderated and then replies to us with "Well, so and so said x, y, z last week and you did nothing so this isn't fair!".
My first question to you will be, "Did you report the post?"
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This post would get moderated if you and your "ex" were posting love notes to each other a week ago on the site or had identifying information in profiles such as "Medusa's Lover!" so that people would know that you were talking about Medusa in the post above.

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weatherboi, I am unsure if domestic violence and anger management issues are on the rise or if it is much more openly talked about in the Queer community. Back in the 80s I went into a Lesbian Recovery Residential Program in Los Angeles. There was an assumption that "Butches" were most likely the offenders in regards to violence and I have heard similar reasoning in regards to FTMs being excessively aggressive as a result of taking T.

I don't want to get into the blame game. I do want to bring these topics out of the closet and discussed openly. I have observed some cultural differences in what one might consider violence. I am not talking about physical violence. I am talking about things like yelling verses talking. Face gestures, body language.

Domestic Violence does exist in the LGBTQ Community. How can we change it? I don't think it is as easy as shunning a person or persons of a specific gender or gender expression. Abusers do not deserve to be placated with no consequences.I think there should be restitution by the abuser and rehabilitation for some, not all.

I suspect there are members here that have hit, and emotionally abused their partners. I do not believe that is necessarily something they want to examine and come out with it. BTW, a few years back there was a couple in Texas. It was a Transman that was charged with the murder of his femme partner. I believe they were members with many of us over on the old site. Did anyone ever follow up on this? Did our community learn anything from this tragedy?



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Greyson, I am unsure to, this is why I stated that I was merely guessing. I think it is a combination of both rising populations within the trans community and people are talking about it more hence the experience I spoke about. I stopped long ago allowing myself to feed into the myth that T makes guys aggressive, I am pretty sure that the abusive nature was there long before the T. I think that all genders can be perpetrators of domestic violence but since I am FTM I am gonna stick to my gender. I am not sure what you mean by the blame game. I do not see anybody here blaming anybody for anything when it comes to domestic violence and let me be perfectly clear. I won't take this space and use it as a place to try and debunk myths or truths that people are too scared to tackle. If we wanna talk about DV then let's stick to our gender. Cultural differences I can deal with but speaking about other genders here pertaining to domestic violence not so much. I don't know if I am comfortable speaking of that couple. It is a sensitive topic for many and some people here were friends with her.

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weatherboi, I am unsure if domestic violence and anger management issues are on the rise or if it is much more openly talked about in the Queer community. Back in the 80s I went into a Lesbian Recovery Residential Program in Los Angeles. There was an assumption that "Butches" were most likely the offenders in regards to violence and I have heard similar reasoning in regards to FTMs being excessively aggressive as a result of taking T.

I don't want to get into the blame game. I do want to bring these topics out of the closet and discussed openly. I have observed some cultural differences in what one might consider violence. I am not talking about physical violence. I am talking about things like yelling verses talking. Face gestures, body language.

Domestic Violence does exist in the LGBTQ Community. How can we change it? I don't think it is as easy as shunning a person or persons of a specific gender or gender expression. Abusers do not deserve to be placated with no consequences.I think there should be restitution by the abuser and rehabilitation for some, not all.

I suspect there are members here that have hit, and emotionally abused their partners. I do not believe that is necessarily something they want to examine and come out with it. BTW, a few years back there was a couple in Texas. It was a Transman that was charged with the murder of his femme partner. I believe they were members with many of us over on the old site. Did anyone ever follow up on this? Did our community learn anything from this tragedy?
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weatherboi, my apologies. I was not implying any of the posts were doing the blame game. I want to try and stay away from that slippery slope. I do know I still have bruised feelings about things that took place 20 - 30 years ago and if I allow it, I can get into the "blame game" myself. I don't think expressing my anger about such perceived injustices, snarks really adds much to the talking, analysis, unpacking that we do here as a community. Again, my apologies. I was not saying you or anyone is "blaming."


As for a sensitive topic, I understand. You do not need to comment. I did not give their online names or their "real time" names. My point is I really want others who are newer to all of this, to get it, cut to the chase. These things can and do happen. Many of our conversations here are not based in make believe.

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Actually, I am tired of being mis-gendered, being referred to as "lady" or "ma'am" -- I don't get it. My voice is significantly deeper than my wife's voice, I dress nothing like a "lady" or a "ma'am", I walk different, I hold myself more masculine, but I'm still "ma'am'd"-- What gives?

( I really feel like I am in the "betweener" stage of transition (it sucks) actually )
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Yeah I don't get that either. I can walk a mile and two different people will address me differently, one as ma'am, one as sir. . and it baffles me to hell. That's why I say I look at what I wear, what I'm doing at the moment, etc.. to try and figure it the hell out. Same as on the telephone. So now, I just try to speak deeper. lmfao! If all else fails, confuse the hell out of them!
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I can relate to the betweener stage as you put it. I get ma'am or sir depending on the person be it a man or woman. I think that men tend to sir me more often than women. It is embarrassing for them and awkward for me when they double check Me for sex markers ie breasts and change the sir to a ma'am. I'd be happy if they just left it like it was to begin with. Gender policing as I see it, especially in the South were ma'am and sir are used more often, than when I lived in the North.

This is such a tough time when it comes to transitioning...the best thing to do is just to try and relax and be yourself...I used to call myself a "wuzzle" because on the SAT sample test ?'s...prior to the test... that is the example that was stated over and over...A wuzzle is defined as...to mix. A wuzzle means to Mix. And it was so apropo for that time period.(I was lucky. I just cut my hair and i looked pretty male after that. I used my hair to hide and stuff the way i felt i guess. I think i was conditioned from childhood. To correct people who would call me a boy.) Anyhow, i had a girlfriend who would just look at people in a restaurant...she enjoyed whenever someone looked confused about me. She would tell me..." I just love watching their confusion and their pained faces. They are baffled" . She was right.

Dr Seuss...thing 1 and thing 2...they do it for me, also. I have a Christmas
Ornament that i am very proud of...I am a transexxual and I am proud.
And i am a wuzzle inside. No matter how i am perceived. Smile.
And I am proud of all of you guys going through this journey.

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It's around 5:30 am right now. I should be on the way to the gym, but I am staying at home this morning so I can vote instead. My polling area is notorious for long lines and running out of ballets at night so I vote first thing in the morning.

Right now I'm fueled just on pure morning adrenaline. I hope this all comes out right.. thoughts just kinda pouring out through the keyboard.

So... first of all, I appreciate that the majority of the people on this online community can understand that someone can identify as a trans person without actually going through the transition, either by choice, because of lack of resources, because of medical restrictions, or for whatever reason. I stopped seeing a counselor who said "well if you don't want to have surgery right away, you're not trans."

Lesbian never felt right to me. It took me until I got to college to appreciate what had been there all along- a definite attraction and physical/sexual desires for females, not males. Yes I did sleep with bio males when I was in high school. I *thought* I was supposed to do that. And I did with a few, thinking *I'm supposed to like this, maybe he's just doing it wrong.* Nothing. And actually: it was revolting. And even in those relationships I was the dominant person. I wouldn't even call them relationships I think.

It wasn't until college where I finally talked to a trusted friend about how I felt. Coming from a very conservative family (who called me last night to make sure I would vote for Romney, ugh), I literally had no idea what gay or lesbian meant until someone explained it to me. And the light bulb went on! But still, even though I had started dating women, something was quite wrong. It's taken me another 10-15 years to appreciate the other part of my life that has been there all along-- the inner feeling that I am male, a male soul, male energy.

Looking back on it all, through my own thoughts and through therapy, so many signs are obvious. A lifelong revolting feeling to dresses, makeup, female-identified activities. Always automatically being the "dad" when playing house. Always playing with the boys and not the girls. Rejecting dolls for trucks. Never fitting in at school because people didn't know what to make of me. Sneaking into my parent's basement during the night, lighting candles like an altar, and then praying to god to fix me. Wondering for so long what was wrong with me. Crying for days when my menstrual cycle started because it meant I really was a girl. I have always cringed when I was called "beautiful" or "pretty." There's always been this internal lack of comfort when I am addressed by my assigned female name, so much to the point where I don't even say it when I answer the phone. I wanted to change my name as early as high school. And then there's the body dysmorphia... all the times of looking in a mirror and just breaking out into tears. Always wearing clothing that hid my body and my female curves. Wearing men's clothes for over 25 years. There's so many examples. For a while to me I thought it was being a butch. But even that wasn't right. In college I was brought to lesbian bars by groups of friends. I felt like I was in the wrong place. If only the little voice in my head that now can say "you are male" had the words for it years ago, I could have spared myself from a lot of depression, self-hate, isolation, and feelings of being unworthy. It wasn't until I started going to trans groups that I felt comfortable.

Genderqueer really didn't exist 10 years ago, and transgender rights were barely on the radar. My age group grew up with negative images of trans people (think Silence of the Lambs). Even 10 years ago I can remember fights at activism meetings about including the T in GLBT and how many people thought this group did not belong. And there are those within the T community that think that if you are not going through surgery and hormones, you are not really trans. The reality is, people like us have existed throughout societies around the world for centuries. And unfortunately too many people attacked what they did not understand. Sometimes I wonder if we adopt labels for a comfort level for ourselves, or for the comfort of others, so people know how to treat us. I am very appreciative that groups have started to move to the umbrella approach for equality, recognizing that while legally wording and labels have to be specific for protection/rights because society as a whole pigeonholes us, but in reality gender and sexual identify are much more fluid.

I feel like our society is still so rooted in male/female, pink/blue, that it doesn't know how to handle those that identify as the opposite gender, have gone through transition, are in the middle, or those who simply identify as something different than the vessels we were born in. Fortunately the world is changing much faster than ever before, and today's youth is much more open minded, understanding and accepting. I can only hope things will be much easier for the next generation, and that someday people will look back at GLBT rights and shake their heads at what took so long. And I need to turn all my pain into something positive. What can I do to make sure no other person has to suffer, to agonize, to contemplate suicide? How can I help my community? How can I stay connected? Transgender feels like the right word for me. Right now my life focus is on what I ignored for so long- self love and self respect.

My other life motto is: "be a gentleman." I picture myself being the best example of a man I can be. I unfortunately do see FTMs in the community who absorb what I personally see to be the worst characteristics of men- not treating women with respect and seeing them as equal; using derogatory words to describe women, etc. To me it's about standing up for the rights of women and for equality issues such as equal pay, abortion rights, healthcare, etc. It's about being conscious with my words and manners. It's about being respectful and protective, not because women are weak (which they are most definitely not!), but out of loyalty and appreciation. As I grow more confident about who I am, I have found myself challenging things I would be too scared to face years ago.

I saw a post in a Facebook group where someone said "I am a FTG: a female to gentleman." I like that.

Time to get up for voting/work. Sorry about my rambling here.
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Thanks for sharing Alex. Ramble on...i dig it. I hope others will too.

I got in and got to vote. Had to go vote early... cause i was awake and genrally do that also.
My adrenaline if burning up also...I believe i have turned to cortisol. Yulk.
Nothing like voting in someone's barn. Weird...
I am grateful that my name was on the rolls and not my old one...
I was prepared to show all my id and then deal with provisionals if
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Is there a TDOR thread around here? I am wondering what events are goinng on around the country this year. If there is no thread I may start one. The national site is not always updated well and I really want to see this event get more visibility this year.

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I know that in the puberty years I put on weight to "hide" the girl body...it didn't work of course....lol....& now it's HELL to take it off. I remember when I had my top surgery...My God I was the happiest man alive....lol...ask my ex...she went through it with me & wow...I was on top of the world. There's a pic of me walking the grandbaby in my boxers & no shirt......lololol....maybe that's TMI..sorry....

I've never had any of this discomfort with my body...yep, I'm overweight & am changing it slowly...but, I have always looked male even before transition & others have verified this, so it's not just me thinking that. When I look in the mirror now I see a handsome guy looking back. I LOVE my beard....LOVE my chest...hate my back hair....LOL...but, generally..I've always known I was a guy.....it's nice to be aligned now. I began the change at 30 years old & I am a bit envious of these young guys who are starting in their 20's.....but, we all go at our own pace.

Just be comfotable inside & let yoursefl BE who you are......nothing has to go at any pace other than what is right for you as an individual.

I love this thread too....

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