Natural Beauty

[always2late]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Grooming to some people is expensive Ms Kitten, and it is sexist, it may not be so to you, unfortunately it is. There are people from all gender spectrums that can't afford product nor do they have access to make themselves *presentable* according to standard that society deems acceptable. It's also a fact that Coco Chanel comes from a life of privelge and perhaps she isn't self aware of that privelege.


As for different perspectives... My mother isn't American and my Father is a retired military man, so I get the idea of looking neat. I am a fan of neat, but I am also aware that not everyone has the same priviledges when it comes to *grooming*, dressing, make up, beauty products as I do. I also keep in mind that my skin color, hair texture, body shape aren't standard Coco Chanel likings and that other POC like myself don't have access to all these things like most of us here do.


That was really my point about Coco Chanel's delusional, white, priveledge thinking. That's why I let you know ahead of time that I was piggy backing off her quote.



Thanks for the dialogue

While undeniably white, it's hard for me to think that Chanel came from a life of "privilege." She was born to an unwed mother in 1883, and upon her mother's death was placed in an orphanage for the rest of her childhood by her stepfather. Though there is no denying that she attained success later in life, I don't think her entire life was as easy as her later years. As to her designs she was a proponent of a more "natural" and comfortable look for women. She has been credited for changing the idea that a woman had to be corsetted to be "beautiful."
*just a little trivia

[Sachita]

Originally Posted by always2late

While undeniably white, it's hard for me to think that Chanel came from a life of "privilege." She was born to an unwed mother in 1883, and upon her mother's death was placed in an orphanage for the rest of her childhood by her stepfather. Though there is no denying that she attained success later in life, I don't think her entire life was as easy as her later years. As to her designs she was a proponent of a more "natural" and comfortable look for women. She has been credited for changing the idea that a woman had to be corsetted to be "beautiful."
*just a little trivia

wow thats such good info! I love her!

[The_Lady_Snow]

Hmm. Funny in that ironic way that she doesn't get it then. Her coming from such a background should of opened her eyes to tge oppression of women. I don't think shed be who she was had she been born with darker skin.

That was really the point about "beauty products" and standards they have A LOT of ism's attached to them

Originally Posted by always2late

While undeniably white, it's hard for me to think that Chanel came from a life of "privilege." She was born to an unwed mother in 1883, and upon her mother's death was placed in an orphanage for the rest of her childhood by her stepfather. Though there is no denying that she attained success later in life, I don't think her entire life was as easy as her later years. As to her designs she was a proponent of a more "natural" and comfortable look for women. She has been credited for changing the idea that a woman had to be corsetted to be "beautiful."
*just a little trivia

[Sachita]

I think the whole industry is fucked up. I think between the media and the patriarchal attitudes forced on us many many moons ago have devalued women. Many of us fell and still fall in that trap. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with wanting to dress pretty and buy nice things. It's when you feel you have no beauty or value without it. Its when our sons can only see big tits, big hair and name brand jeans. Our whole fucking perception of beauty is distorted.

But I can change that for me today. I can start to live my life differently and hopefully teach my granddaughter the things no one taught me.

[Kitten.With.A.Twist]

Well said, Sachita!! (and I love your quote, btw!)

[Kitten.With.A.Twist]

I think she does get, it, though, Lady Snow... I wonder if you have a different idea about her quote than I do? While I didn't know Chanel and never had the chance to ask her about it, my perception of it is that she was being very inclusive and accepting of ALL beauties... and simply saying that EVERY woman is beautiful, and if she's not, it's because she's just not taking "care" of herself. I'm a huge fan of taking care of yourself.... but I'm not a huge proponent of expensive cosmetics or beauty regimes...I don't really use them and don't think they are necessary.. but why not take a little 'care' of yourself!

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Kitten.With.A.Twist

I think she does get, it, though, Lady Snow... I wonder if you have a different idea about her quote than I do? While I didn't know Chanel and never had the chance to ask her about it, my perception of it is that she was being very inclusive and accepting of ALL beauties... and simply saying that EVERY woman is beautiful, and if she's not, it's because she's just not taking "care" of herself. I'm a huge fan of taking care of yourself.... but I'm not a huge proponent of expensive cosmetics or beauty regimes...I don't really use them and don't think they are necessary.. but why not take a little 'care' of yourself!

Ms Kitten, some folks can't. It's not because they wouldn't love to be able to or because they are lazy or American.


They just can't be it for economic reasons or other reasons.

[Kitten.With.A.Twist]

::hugz:: Snow - well thank you for widening my perspective. I'll be givin' that some thought!

Da Kitten

[Sachita]

I use to spend so much money on make-up, creams, you name it. I still buy a little make-up and even wear a very little now and then. I don't think you have to spend a lot to be pretty. Not at all.