Infidelity

[BullDog]

Women are held to much higher standards when it comes to sexuality and "morality." I can't believe anyone would even question this. It's so glaringly obvious.

Boys will be boys- how many times have we heard that?

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

Yeah. Supporting Cancer Patients/Research is super fucking annoying. Live Strong, but live Quietly I always say.

HA! Nice try.

I'm all for supporting causes. I'm not down with donning a stupid piece of plastic to show what a mindless follower I am, just cuz Lance Armstrong asked me to and tossed out a catchy slogan he didn't even coin. It's the mark of sheeple. And then, of course, we have to have the different color swatches of plastic now, because every other organization had to follow suit (like what? sheeple) to get their piece of the sheeple pie too.

I feel the same about those stupid ribbons all over everyone's bumpers right now.


Nice Try On The Guilt Trip Though,
Dylan

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by Dylan

HA! Nice try.

I'm all for supporting causes. I'm not down with donning a stupid piece of plastic to show what a mindless follower I am, just cuz Lance Armstrong asked me to and tossed out a catchy slogan he didn't even coin. It's the mark of sheeple. And then, of course, we have to have the different color swatches of plastic now, because every other organization had to follow suit (like what? sheeple) to get their piece of the sheeple pie too.

I feel the same about those stupid ribbons all over everyone's bumpers right now.


Nice Try On The Guilt Trip Though,
Dylan

I think Pink Ribbons for Breast Cancer and the Live Strong bracelets raise awareness. Sales of those items go towards research.

Most people know at least one person affected by some sort of cancer, which makes it personal.

So I disagree with you that it is *sheeple mentality* to participate in such awareness raising campaigns. For the most part, I think it's the opposite and quite personal.

No Guilt Trip,

Done derailing

[UofMfan]

I agree, to me it is very personal. And to have to read the very dismissal of the things that, yes even if corny and bothersome to people, have contributed to savings millions of lives, makes me a little angry.

How did we get from infidelity to this?

PS: I met Sandra Bullock in person, and she is even nicer than she appears on the screen. My opinion of course, we are all entitled to have one.

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

I think Pink Ribbons for Breast Cancer and the Live Strong bracelets raise awareness. Sales of those items go towards research.

Most people know at least one person affected by some sort of cancer, which makes it personal.

So I disagree with you that it is *sheeple mentality* to participate in such awareness raising campaigns. For the most part, I think it's the opposite and quite personal.

No Guilt Trip,

Done derailing

[SuperFemme]

Somehow we ended up going from infidelity to celebrity transgressions.

Then we crossed the bridge to "those poor guys" and how do we know they weren't forced to cheat? Because men always get the shit end of the stick when it comes to cheating.

Then my head exploded.

Again.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Women are held to much higher standards when it comes to sexuality and "morality." I can't believe anyone would even question this. It's so glaringly obvious.

Boys will be boys- how many times have we heard that?

Who was questioning the sexuality and morality of women?

There is a much bigger double standard when women cheat on their husbands, and especially celebrity women.

I mean, you're here giving Tiger a hard time because he's not going to give up his career. We even had a Tiger Woods thread to discuss the whole (private) matter. Yet, I don't remember a thread about the LeAnn incident. Had there been a thread, I might have even known that she'd cheated (although, I still wouldn't have cared). When LeAnn cheated were you giving her the same gruff about her career? Did you roll your eyes when her next CD came out?

Was the husband hot? So hot he didn't deserve to be cheated on (because when it comes to celebrity cheating, apparently looks are the final deciding factor in whether or not someone 'deserved' to be cheated on)? Were there a bunch of outsiders stepping up to say how they'd have "treated him right" because he's so hot and brilliant and couldn't possibly ever do anything mean-spirited?

And to tie this back to Queerdom, because I could give a good rip about straight celebrities cheating on one another...we can see these exact same attitudes played out in ButchFemmeDom...even including the same commentary.

Butch cheats: oh, how could anyone cheat on SoAndSoFemme? She's got so much going for her. I wouldn't do that (even though I don't know her from Adam or Eve). ThatButch is such a dick. SoAndSoFemme is so hot. ThatButch needs to move out and blahblahblah

Femme cheats: Wow, ThatButch must be such a dick. I wonder what ThatButch did to deserve that.

I have yet to hear that either one should give up their careers though.


Have To Get Offline Soon,
Dylan

[theoddz]

Heh....looka how many otherwise "intelligent" minds are occupied in other people's business!! These are matters (that belong to *other* people and have no consequence to us in our own lives) that seem to draw so much fucking interest, sell trash magazines and usually are so far off base with the "truth" that it isn't even funny.

I wish that damned paparazzi who are so chasing gossip news like this would spend their resources and energy to draw the American attention to political matters that affect or are GOING to affect this country... and us all.

Trash magazines and trashy gossip TV be damned.

Okay, I'll stop.

~Theo~ .....being a curmudgeon again.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by Dylan

Who was questioning the sexuality and morality of women?

There is a much bigger double standard when women cheat on their husbands, and especially celebrity women.

I mean, you're here giving Tiger a hard time because he's not going to give up his career. We even had a Tiger Woods thread to discuss the whole (private) matter. Yet, I don't remember a thread about the LeAnn incident. Had there been a thread, I might have even known that she'd cheated (although, I still wouldn't have cared). When LeAnn cheated were you giving her the same gruff about her career? Did you roll your eyes when her next CD came out?

Was the husband hot? So hot he didn't deserve to be cheated on (because when it comes to celebrity cheating, apparently looks are the final deciding factor in whether or not someone 'deserved' to be cheated on)? Were there a bunch of outsiders stepping up to say how they'd have "treated him right" because he's so hot and brilliant and couldn't possibly ever do anything mean-spirited?

And to tie this back to Queerdom, because I could give a good rip about straight celebrities cheating on one another...we can see these exact same attitudes played out in ButchFemmeDom...even including the same commentary.

Butch cheats: oh, how could anyone cheat on SoAndSoFemme? She's got so much going for her. I wouldn't do that (even though I don't know her from Adam or Eve). ThatButch is such a dick. SoAndSoFemme is so hot. ThatButch needs to move out and blahblahblah

Femme cheats: Wow, ThatButch must be such a dick. I wonder what ThatButch did to deserve that.

I have yet to hear that either one should give up their careers though.


Have To Get Offline Soon,
Dylan

I never gave Tiger a hard time on cheating. His press conference was an apology to his sponsors and a way for him to participate in this year's major tournaments. I said that then, and I said that now. I think he's a slime for lying and cheating (if he did cheat- since I don't know what he and his wife may or may not have agreed upon). I would think his wife was a slime if she cheated on him. I would think my next door neighbor was a slime if she cheated on whomever.

I missed the LeAnn incident. I'm not a big country music fan and don't watch tv, so I miss most of the celeb gossip.

I don't see the double standard within butch femme circles either. A lot of times a butch femme couple is two women, btw or two females,- one is butch and one is femme (not always of course)- so why would straight man/woman "standards" even apply. Anyway, I don't think cheating is viewed too kindly in butch femme circles whether it's a femme, butch, FTM or other gendered person doing it. I don't see the outcry being much different than within lesbian circles (where it is two women).

[Apocalipstic]

Again I say if people handle their business with honesty and respect then there are no problems.

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

Again I say if people handle their business with honesty and respect then there are no problems.

j

Amen Sistah! Emphasis on *people*.

[Soon]

Getting back to Leanne Rimes thingie--the rumour is that her husband is gay--but who knows.

Also, she left her marriage very shortly after her affair was (sorta) outted--they were spotted a restaurant. (he left his wife too) Now, they are together. There wasn't a huge maligning of Leanne, probably b/c they both left their marriages and are together?

Tiger and Jesse seem to be a bit different in the volume of women involved and the fact that they all seem very umm...short term fuck kinda situations. Also, I think with the Jesse/Sandra one, it was particularly painful (for some) to watch it unravel because she had just made the publicity rounds at all the awards' shows (and interviews) proclaiming her love for this man whom she felt "had her back" and trusted like no one else prior to him--which is why she married him. The sympathy for Elin might be b/c she is a mother of two young ones and also, possibly, the public shock of the image reversed of Tiger as being this role model of sorts and a solid *family* man.

I am a total follower of the celebrity goss. I need the scoop.

Oh, I also think that if a wife cheated in the manner of Tiger/Jesse, her character assassination would be just as thorough (if not more!) by the tabloids/press/public. A MOTHER cheating with a bunch of (mostly unsavory!) men (w/o protection!) just b/c she just wanted to get laid?--A LOT! I don't think that would go over with anyone. Her image and endorsements would be gone (I think) and even a trip to good ol' sex rehab might not ever rehabilitate her career.

[SuperFemme]

I am madly in love with my honey. I swore I'd never do marriage again, yet I took the leap with hym and feel like hy is the best thing since hair clippies.

I would die a thousand deaths if suddenly everyone in our circle starting coming forward with proof of not just one affair, but multiple affairs. That horrible feeling you feel when everyone knows but you.

I'd leave hym in a hot second. We have not negotiated anything other than monogamy at this point. So yeah, I feel for Sandra Bullock. I feel for Elin Woods too, but think she should be glad Tiger kept mum about her attack on him. Violence is never okay.

[Cyclopea]

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[julieisafemme]

You know the thing that bums me out about all of this is that gossip is incredibly painful. Having your private life broadcast to everyone is painful. It happens to lots of people besides celebrities. You don't have to be famous for people to get a big thrill about talking about you. The past year I have been the subject of gossip. People I trusted and told things to then went out and shared my business with other people. That has affected my kid who is an innocent bystander in all of this. It has affected my partner who asked for none of this. Jews call it lashon hara or evil tongue. So whether it is a famous person or the lady at work or your neighbor it is all bad.

Unless the person is an elected official who is representing me and making decisions about my life none of it is my business. Even if they are famous. Even if they take advantage of that fame to promote their own agendas.

[Queerasfck]

I have to say it was pretty interesting on the radio today they were discussing of all things, the book The Scarlet Letter. It was brought up back in those puritan times so long ago that the gossip and judging gave people something else to think about. I don't really think it's much different today. Scandal, cheating, all of the lies, it gives people something else to dwell on, rather than themselves or their own problems, or even still the bigger, depressing problems in the world today. I have to say sometimes when the "mighty" fall it's sort of amusing to me. Depends on the person/circumstances.

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by julieisafemme

You know the thing that bums me out about all of this is that gossip is incredibly painful. Having your private life broadcast to everyone is painful. It happens to lots of people besides celebrities. You don't have to be famous for people to get a big thrill about talking about you. The past year I have been the subject of gossip. People I trusted and told things to then went out and shared my business with other people. That has affected my kid who is an innocent bystander in all of this. It has affected my partner who asked for none of this. Jews call it lashon hara or evil tongue. So whether it is a famous person or the lady at work or your neighbor it is all bad.

Unless the person is an elected official who is representing me and making decisions about my life none of it is my business. Even if they are famous. Even if they take advantage of that fame to promote their own agendas.

I'm sorry that happened to you. The kids are the biggest victims in highly publicized cases because that stuff is all over the interwebz forever. It is absolutely none of our business. You are so right.

[Soon]

That sucks Julie, and I'm sorry for you.

However, I feel no guilt picking up a celebrity magazine or visiting the sites and don't feel it is wrong of me, either. It is an indulgence and form of escapism for sure.


I love when my husband comes home with a Kit Kat and The Star (or some such)! Fill up the tub with bubbles and ahhhh!

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

That sucks Julie, and I'm sorry for you.

However, I feel no guilt picking up a celebrity magazine or visiting the sites and don't feel it is wrong of me, either. It is an indulgence and form of escapism for sure.


I love when my husband comes home with a Kit Kat and The Star (or some such)! Fill up the tub with bubbles and ahhhh!

It's the media that is ridiculous, not the consumer so much. I love the way people demand a statement, apology, what not. The media is paying 30k for the dirt from the parties involved....so yeah. It's kind of like a car wreck you can't look away from sometimes.

[Apocalipstic]

It makes me so thankful I am not famous.

[Soon]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

It's the media that is ridiculous, not the consumer so much. I love the way people demand a statement, apology, what not. The media is paying 30k for the dirt from the parties involved....so yeah. It's kind of like a car wreck you can't look away from sometimes.

I can't look away--so true!

I get what you are saying, here.

I can't believe how obsessed I have become over the Sandra/Jesse thing--it's embarrassing, but oh well.

I think it's because I was practically in tears listening to her on Barbra Walter's special and her speech at the Golden Globes the week before and how DAMN SURE she was about him. She didn't even care about marriage until she met him (and I can relate to that!). She really truly believed this was the first guy who was strong enough for her (her words) and that she trusted completely.

I think she was fooled completely and it does make you wonder about...wow, do you ever REALLY know someone? She was SO SURE about him! (and really cared about and loved his kids too) Ugh.